see, the is interesting. firstly, you have the chinese communists who are trying to incorporate capitalism into the mix. this means that profit has become number 1 priority and anyone who can't make a profit gets executed. this also means that local chinese laws may be ignored, especially if local officials are paid a kickback to ignore some other issues (like child labor). and yes, the chinese government is definitely complicit in this as they want a share of the economic pie (which violates the tenants of communism.
now, we could manufacture those devices here and probably for about the same cost if we use automated factories. Servicing those factories will require workers who have superior skills to the typical assembly line worker of the 1970's. This will require an STAM type curriculum on the part of university students (science, technology, and math). those who stick to this type of course curriculum will end up eventually running companies (as opposed to those with liberal arts degrees which usually end up in lower paying jobs - provable through the dept of labor statistics). There will always be a need for personnel to service automation systems, others to program them and even those who design new devices and products that will be produced by those automated factories. then there will be those who manufacture the items that build such factories, obtain the raw materials and even provide the utilities (electric, water, gas, etc). so, in the long run, there will still be people needed to do all of this work. everything from construction to computer programming. The whole point (which ends up back with the chinese and how we could do better with less of the adverse human cost) is that we could do it better. sure, there are always going to be some groups that get left out, but that does balance with time as the workforce gets more skilled. as an aside, there are over 30,000 construction jobs waiting to be filled here in phoenix arizona. nearly all of these are for freeway construction, repairs, infrastructure and other contracts. There is also a need for electricians, HVAC techs, network engineers, wiring techs and a whole lot of other skilled and semi-skilled jobs. right now, the chinese have the edge in low cost labor, but there is only so far that can go before costs catch up. the OP's story is an example of this catching up. -eric On Nov 24, 2017, at 11:29 AM, lenron brown wrote: > Um people always say that but here is what you got to keep in mind. > These phones and things will never be built in the US. The company > still would not make as much money. Do you really think someone in the > states will work for what they pay them over there? > > On 11/23/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> But Chuck, >> >> They can't take the jobs back in to the USA, >> >> Americans have to large fingers to get into those small spaces in the phones >> and other mobile devices. >> >> They'd have to get really really young American children so the finger >> sizes were small enough to put things together. >> >> Or make the phones and tablets larger than they are. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL >> Sent: Friday, 24 November 2017 12:34 PM >> To: macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: Illegal Student Labor Used To Assemble iPhone X, Apple Admits | >> HuffPost >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> Can't wait to start bringing back these out sourced jobs to the US! :) Just >> lower the US tax rate and we'll be assembling the Iphone's here! :) Chuck >> "God does not play dice with the universe" >> "Albert Einstein’ >> >> >> On Nov 22, 2017, at 9:09 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> >>> Illegal Student Labor Used To Assemble iPhone X, Apple Admits Transit >>> school students said they worked 11-hour shifts for required "work >>> experience." >>> Nina Golgowski >>> Apple has admitted that one of its main Chinese factories worked >>> student interns overtime to assemble its iPhone X, violating local labor >>> laws. >>> The admission on Wednesday came after teenage workers claimed they >>> were regularly forced to work 11-hour shifts assembling the pricey >>> devices in order to graduate from school, according to a report >>> published in the Financial Times. >>> The tech giant, as well as plant operator Hon Hai Precision Industry >>> Co., also known as Foxconn, has denied the student program was >>> involuntary but admitted the long hours violated policy. >>> "We've confirmed the students worked voluntarily, were compensated and >>> provided benefits, but they should not have been allowed to work >>> overtime," >>> Apple said in a statement obtained by HuffPost. >>> The corporation, headquartered in California, said it has sent staff >>> to the overseas plant to address the violations, which it said involve >>> a small percentage of the workers. >>> >>> The six students, aged 17 to 19, told the Financial Times that they >>> were among a group of 3,000 students from Zhengzhou Urban Rail Transit >>> School who were sent to the Zhengzhou factory to complete a >>> three-month stint for "work experience." >>> One student, who didn't want to be identified because of fear of >>> retaliation, said she was tasked with assembling the new iPhone X >>> smartphones, which cost just under $1,000, despite studying to be a >>> train attendant. >>> "The work has nothing to do with our studies," the 18-year-old told >>> the Times. >>> Foxconn, in a statement obtained by Reuters, admitted that some >>> interns have worked more than 40 hours per week on "program-related >>> assignments," which violates their policy. >>> >>> In 2015, The Asia-Pacific Journal reported that Foxconn's student work >>> programs frequently violated the rights of student interns and Chinese >>> law. >>> "Foxconn, through direct deals with government departments, has >>> outsourced recruitment to vocational schools to obtain a new source of >>> student workers at below minimum wages," the report states. "The goals >>> and timing of internships are set not by student educational or >>> training priorities but by the demand for products dictated by >>> companies." >>> Factories that produce Apple products in Asia, like Foxconn, have a >>> history of workplace violations and criticism from labor rights groups >>> that have cited them over excessive overtime, unpaid overtime, hiring >>> underage workers, underpaying student workers, and exposure to >>> chemicals and other hazardous environments. Plants where Apple >>> products were manufactured also saw a series of suicides in 2010-2011. >>> Li Qiang, founder of New York-based advocacy group China Labor Watch, >>> told Bloomberg improvements have been made at factories in Shanghai >>> that work on Apple products, but there's still a ways to go. >>> >>> "Ultimately it's about production needs. From Apple's actions, it >>> seems like they don't care about the labor standards they set >>> previously," Qiang said, while claiming that Apple knew about the >>> students' long hours weeks ago but didn't do anything about it. >>> "They could have stopped these students working night shifts and long >>> hours sooner, but they didn't do that," he said. >>> Last April, an intern for China Labor Watch described working 12-hours >>> shifts in an iPhone assembly line at a Chinese plant while sitting in >>> a backless chair and being punished when a machine broke, causing >>> parts to get backed up. >>> "What is behind these Apple products are millions of hands and >>> millions of untold lives," Dejian Zeng wrote. "Some of them are >>> genuine friends that I know, who are still struggling whether they >>> should use the restroom or take a nap in that 10 minute break, who are >>> still struggling whether they should buy the 15yuan ($2.25) roasted >>> chicken as a treat for the weekend, who are still struggling whether >>> they should stay in the factory tomorrow and if not, where else will they >>> go?" >>> Foxconn did not immediately return a request for comment Wednesday. >>> >>> Original Article at: >>> https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a157b73e4b09650540e82ec?ncid=APPLE >>> NEWS00 >>> 001 >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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