Simon,
Finally got to this and it did not work.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 11/3/2017 8:45 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
HI ET,
Just a crazy thought,
But would like to know what happens.
Kind of reverse psychology for Mac OS.
Good luck.
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Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden but talks
and interrupt continuous reading
Ok I can try that and see. Be a while before I can do it but will report
back shortly.
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On 11/2/2017 5:28 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
ET,
Crazy thought but what if you enable the require password restart your
machine a couple of times and then disable it again, Fooling the machine in to
the situation tim has now.
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Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden
but talks and interrupt continuous reading
Tim,
I do not have the require password enabled. I have tried other settings
to no avail.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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On 11/2/2017 7:53 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi,
In my testing, my MBP is set to require a password after screen-lock or screen
saver. I'm not sure if those of you where it's not working have it set the
same. I will turn that feature off and see what happens to me.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 2, 2017, at 08:30, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
Hi Shawn,
We'll have to compare even more notes. There's got to be some settings, or
combination of settings that will work for others like it seems to have for me.
I've tested it in a few different scenarios and I've eliminated it on my MBP.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 1, 2017, at 22:34, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
Hi Tim. After having Voiceover read the Applevis Newsletter, I found out that
trick doesn't work on my computer.
Shawn
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On Nov 1, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I may have a fix for now. It has worked for me in two different scenarios. In the VO
Utility, under the Web category, make sure that the "Enable Live Regions"
checkbox is not checked. This seems to allow VO to remain speaking for an extended
length of time. During this testing, I had my MBP set that the computer never goes to
sleep, and that the display would go to sleep after one minute. I had it read a long,
boring legal document on school fees and VO read the entire document, then after one
minute of silence, the Login Panel spoke. I also tested it with a rather long
explanation of security, authentication and authorization within the base level of the
MacOS. After about 10 minutes, the Login Panel had not reared its ugly head. Of course,
if you use the Live Regions in web-pages often, this isn't a good fix, but for now, it
has worked for me.
Any others who wish to try this workaround/fix are welcome to do so and post
results here. I realize that just because it worked for me, it does not always
mean that it will work for others in all situations.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:06, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, all I can say is for all of those of you who have reported this, please
do it again. Either that individual I got an Apple accessibility is clueless.
They don’t communicate. Or whatever. And any case, maybe the squeaky wheel gets
the grease.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I contacted Apple about this ages and ages ago.
Christine
On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:26 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi tim,
I logged this a year ago with an apple tech & he assured me that it was on
apples radar and was going to be addressed in a future Sierra os release!
needless to say my mac book air is still doing the same interrupt!
LOL Talk soon Chuck "God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’
On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi,
That's interesting. People have been experiencing this issue since, at least,
Sierra. I'm sure that I also heard that someone submitted a report quite a
while back. Wasn't me, but I seem to recall that someone else did. I guess I
could have just been assuming. Either way, not a particularly useful response
since the majority of Apple Care reps know little about VO sorts of issues.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 1, 2017, at 08:06, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I got a response from Apple accessibility on this issue as well as my PDF
issue. Regarding this one, they say no one has ever reported it to them, and I
should get a hold of AppleCare. Nice, except that my machine is long out of
warranty and I’m not made of money. At the very least, I certainly urge
everybody experiencing this to send notes to Apple accessibility, so they know
that there is an issue and not just me and my Mac Mini.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2017, at 6:53 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
Hi Simon,
Both platform types as far as I can tell. I have an SSD on my MBP and it does
this and I'm sure I've had it happen on spinners as well. Really an't see why
that would be the cause though. It has to do with the screen lock/sleep
feature as far as I can tell. As this activity is engaged, its focus is
gained, so VO announces the new focused app/window. That's normally a good
thing, but in this case, it's a problem.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 1, 2017, at 00:16, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
Thanks, I thought that was the case.
But is this only happening to the spinning drives or on both platform types?
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Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 6:27 PM
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Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is
hidden but talks and interrupt continuous reading
Just to be clear, installing High Sierra on a spinning drive will default to
macOS Extended Journaled.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, E.T. wrote:
Correct.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
Hi ET,
Just had that same thought
But do non ssd drives use APFS by default?
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Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is
hidden but talks and interrupt continuous reading
Interesting. I guess that knocks the thing sideways. For a
while I wondered if the issue was on non SSD drives which are
formatted to APDS.
Apparently not.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 10/31/2017 10:27 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi ET,
For fun, I just did a clean install on a brand new external SSD.
The problem persists. I will speak with a few of my contacts
and see if I can get anywhere.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 31, 2017, at 09:03, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
For me it was in fact fixed. As I stated, a clean install and
no migration may have been the solution. High Sierra has its
own issues but this is not one of them.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply
turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 10/31/2017 7:48 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
Hi ET,
This has been going on since Sierra on my mac book air.
Tech support said that it would be fixed a year ago!
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’
On Oct 31, 2017, at 10:41 AM, E.T. wrote:
Hopefully everyone is emailing Apple Accessibility with this.
I have yet to see this. I did not use Migration Assistant
when I did the clean install, not sure if that is why. Be
interesting to learn what Apple says.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of
the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You
simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 10/31/2017 2:53 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
It happens when you are reading or when the computer is
idle, Voiceover will announce this window. I did a clean
install and it still happens.
Andrew
On Oct 31, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Simon Fogarty
<si...@blinky-net.com>
wrote:
And is it only happening with web pages?
I have a funny feeling I struck this with sierra and
needed a sighted colleague to click something to get rid of it.
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Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2017 4:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that
is hidden but talks and interrupt continuous reading
Mary,
Help us. How about a web page (in English) where this
happens. Does it only happen in web pages and emails?
Did you do a clean install or did you upgrade over Sierra?
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of
the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You
simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl
Sagan
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On 10/30/2017 8:09 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Well, if anybody cares, I set my Mac to go to sleep
after three hours. It had been set to never. And I said
the screen saver to kick in after 1 hour. I shut down the machine and restarted
it.
And still, if I start reading a long email or an
article, within about two minutes or so, I get that damn announcement.
This is really unusable. I've gone from busy busy on
Sierra to this. I'm just about done with a Mac. If I
can't get basic tasks done efficiently, windows here I
come. It's really a shame. Because Apple bills nice
machines. And the phones are great, and I love how the
Mac on the phone sink etc. But come on. How hard should it be to allow people
to just simply read things?
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
Hi,
You'd think so, but, it seems that the Security Server
is still called up and the authentication window rears its ugly head.
Try a long time, but not the "Never" option and see if
that helps at all. I've been trying to see if I can
localize the Security Server and create an activity,
but haven't made a lot of progress yet. Lots of "nice
try Tim", but nothing tangible yet.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 30, 2017, at 13:07, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tim, but if I have it set not to go to sleep,
shouldn't that solve the problem? Maybe there are two
settings? Maybe I'm missing one.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Tim Kilburn
<kilbu...@me.com>
wrote:
Hi,
What's happening here is that the authentication
layer, which is invisible to the sighted user, is activating.
When your computer screen is set to sleep after a
certain amount of time, or if it is set to lock after
a certain amount of time, authentication will take
over and require a password to allow someone access to
the computer. If you disable this level of security,
it seems that the authentication layer initially still activates, but it does
not lock down your computer.
Because the authentication layer was activated, VO
announces that this window gained focus, and, of
course, this announcement interrupts whatever you're listening to.
extending the time of the screen sleep or scree saver
will reduce the incidence of this announcement.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 30, 2017, at 12:07, Robert Cole
<mr.robertc...@icloud.com> wrote:
Hi,
Try changing the time that the screen goes to sleep.
On Oct 30, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Mary Otten
<motte...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi folks,
With my Mac on High Sierra, I am having VoiceOver
interrupt continuous reading on webpages every so
often with a text that says user authentication
window. Now if I envoke window chooser, this window
is not evident. So I guess it's hidden or something.
I'm wondering if there's anyway to find it and get rid of it.
Mary
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