ET, Crazy thought but what if you enable the require password restart your machine a couple of times and then disable it again, Fooling the machine in to the situation tim has now.
-----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. Sent: Friday, 3 November 2017 6:01 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden but talks and interrupt continuous reading Tim, I do not have the require password enabled. I have tried other settings to no avail. From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 11/2/2017 7:53 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi, > > In my testing, my MBP is set to require a password after screen-lock or > screen saver. I'm not sure if those of you where it's not working have it > set the same. I will turn that feature off and see what happens to me. > > Later... > > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Nov 2, 2017, at 08:30, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: > > Hi Shawn, > > We'll have to compare even more notes. There's got to be some settings, or > combination of settings that will work for others like it seems to have for > me. I've tested it in a few different scenarios and I've eliminated it on my > MBP. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Nov 1, 2017, at 22:34, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote: > > Hi Tim. After having Voiceover read the Applevis Newsletter, I found out that > trick doesn't work on my computer. > > Shawn > Sent From My White MacBook > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > >> On Nov 1, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I may have a fix for now. It has worked for me in two different scenarios. >> In the VO Utility, under the Web category, make sure that the "Enable Live >> Regions" checkbox is not checked. This seems to allow VO to remain speaking >> for an extended length of time. During this testing, I had my MBP set that >> the computer never goes to sleep, and that the display would go to sleep >> after one minute. I had it read a long, boring legal document on school >> fees and VO read the entire document, then after one minute of silence, the >> Login Panel spoke. I also tested it with a rather long explanation of >> security, authentication and authorization within the base level of the >> MacOS. After about 10 minutes, the Login Panel had not reared its ugly >> head. Of course, if you use the Live Regions in web-pages often, this isn't >> a good fix, but for now, it has worked for me. >> >> Any others who wish to try this workaround/fix are welcome to do so and post >> results here. I realize that just because it worked for me, it does not >> always mean that it will work for others in all situations. >> >> Later... >> >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:06, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Well, all I can say is for all of those of you who have reported this, >> please do it again. Either that individual I got an Apple accessibility is >> clueless. They don’t communicate. Or whatever. And any case, maybe the >> squeaky wheel gets the grease. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I contacted Apple about this ages and ages ago. >>> Christine >>> >>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:26 AM, CHUCK REICHEL >>>> <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi tim, >>>> I logged this a year ago with an apple tech & he assured me that it was on >>>> apples radar and was going to be addressed in a future Sierra os release! >>>> needless to say my mac book air is still doing the same interrupt! >>>> LOL Talk soon Chuck "God does not play dice with the universe" >>>> "Albert Einstein’ >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> That's interesting. People have been experiencing this issue since, at >>>>> least, Sierra. I'm sure that I also heard that someone submitted a >>>>> report quite a while back. Wasn't me, but I seem to recall that someone >>>>> else did. I guess I could have just been assuming. Either way, not a >>>>> particularly useful response since the majority of Apple Care reps know >>>>> little about VO sorts of issues. >>>>> >>>>> Later... >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 08:06, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, I got a response from Apple accessibility on this issue as well as >>>>> my PDF issue. Regarding this one, they say no one has ever reported it to >>>>> them, and I should get a hold of AppleCare. Nice, except that my machine >>>>> is long out of warranty and I’m not made of money. At the very least, I >>>>> certainly urge everybody experiencing this to send notes to Apple >>>>> accessibility, so they know that there is an issue and not just me and my >>>>> Mac Mini. >>>>> Mary >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 6:53 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Simon, >>>>>> >>>>>> Both platform types as far as I can tell. I have an SSD on my MBP and >>>>>> it does this and I'm sure I've had it happen on spinners as well. >>>>>> Really an't see why that would be the cause though. It has to do with >>>>>> the screen lock/sleep feature as far as I can tell. As this activity is >>>>>> engaged, its focus is gained, so VO announces the new focused >>>>>> app/window. That's normally a good thing, but in this case, it's a >>>>>> problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Later... >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 00:16, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, I thought that was the case. >>>>>> >>>>>> But is this only happening to the spinning drives or on both platform >>>>>> types? >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 6:27 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is >>>>>> hidden but talks and interrupt continuous reading >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to be clear, installing High Sierra on a spinning drive will >>>>>> default to macOS Extended Journaled. >>>>>> >>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the >>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn >>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, E.T. wrote: >>>>>>> Correct. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the >>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn >>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi ET, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just had that same thought >>>>>>>> But do non ssd drives use APFS by default? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 6:34 AM >>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is >>>>>>>> hidden but talks and interrupt continuous reading >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Interesting. I guess that knocks the thing sideways. For a >>>>>>>> while I wondered if the issue was on non SSD drives which are >>>>>>>> formatted to APDS. >>>>>>>> Apparently not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the >>>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn >>>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2017 10:27 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi ET, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For fun, I just did a clean install on a brand new external SSD. >>>>>>>>> The problem persists. I will speak with a few of my contacts >>>>>>>>> and see if I can get anywhere. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 09:03, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For me it was in fact fixed. As I stated, a clean install and >>>>>>>>> no migration may have been the solution. High Sierra has its >>>>>>>>> own issues but this is not one of them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the >>>>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn >>>>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2017 7:48 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi ET, >>>>>>>>>> This has been going on since Sierra on my mac book air. >>>>>>>>>> Tech support said that it would be fixed a year ago! >>>>>>>>>> "God does not play dice with the universe" >>>>>>>>>> "Albert Einstein’ >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 10:41 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully everyone is emailing Apple Accessibility with this. >>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see this. I did not use Migration Assistant >>>>>>>>>>> when I did the clean install, not sure if that is why. Be >>>>>>>>>>> interesting to learn what Apple says. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of >>>>>>>>>>> the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You >>>>>>>>>>> simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2017 2:53 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> It happens when you are reading or when the computer is >>>>>>>>>>>> idle, Voiceover will announce this window. I did a clean >>>>>>>>>>>> install and it still happens. >>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Simon Fogarty >>>>>>>>>>>>> <si...@blinky-net.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And is it only happening with web pages? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a funny feeling I struck this with sierra and >>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a sighted colleague to click something to get rid of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2017 4:22 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that >>>>>>>>>>>>> is hidden but talks and interrupt continuous reading >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Help us. How about a web page (in English) where this >>>>>>>>>>>>> happens. Does it only happen in web pages and emails? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you do a clean install or did you upgrade over Sierra? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You >>>>>>>>>>>>> simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sagan >>>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/30/2017 8:09 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if anybody cares, I set my Mac to go to sleep after >>>>>>>>>>>>>> three hours. It had been set to never. And I said the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen saver to kick in after 1 hour. I shut down the machine >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and restarted it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And still, if I start reading a long email or an article, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> within about two minutes or so, I get that damn announcement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is really unusable. I've gone from busy busy on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sierra to this. I'm just about done with a Mac. If I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't get basic tasks done efficiently, windows here I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> come. It's really a shame. Because Apple bills nice >>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines. And the phones are great, and I love how the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac on the phone sink etc. But come on. How hard should it be to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow people to just simply read things? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'd think so, but, it seems that the Security Server >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is still called up and the authentication window rears its ugly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> head. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try a long time, but not the "Never" option and see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that helps at all. I've been trying to see if I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> localize the Security Server and create an activity, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't made a lot of progress yet. Lots of "nice try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim", but nothing tangible yet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 13:07, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim, but if I have it set not to go to sleep, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't that solve the problem? Maybe there are two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settings? Maybe I'm missing one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kilbu...@me.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's happening here is that the authentication layer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is invisible to the sighted user, is activating. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When your computer screen is set to sleep after a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain amount of time, or if it is set to lock after a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain amount of time, authentication will take over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and require a password to allow someone access to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer. If you disable this level of security, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems that the authentication layer initially still activates, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it does not lock down your computer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because the authentication layer was activated, VO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announces that this window gained focus, and, of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, this announcement interrupts whatever you're listening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extending the time of the screen sleep or scree saver >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will reduce the incidence of this announcement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 12:07, Robert Cole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mr.robertc...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try changing the time that the screen goes to sleep. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Mary Otten >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <motte...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With my Mac on High Sierra, I am having VoiceOver >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interrupt continuous reading on webpages every so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often with a text that says user authentication >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window. Now if I envoke window chooser, this window is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not evident. So I guess it's hidden or something. 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You can reach >>> mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner >>> is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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