Correct.

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  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
Hi ET,

Just had that same thought
But do non ssd drives use APFS  by default?

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Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden but talks 
and interrupt continuous reading

     Interesting. I guess that knocks the thing sideways. For a while I 
wondered if the issue was on non SSD drives which are formatted to APDS.
Apparently not.

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On 10/31/2017 10:27 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi ET,

For fun, I just did a clean install on a brand new external SSD.  The problem 
persists.  I will speak with a few of my contacts and see if I can get anywhere.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 31, 2017, at 09:03, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

    For me it was in fact fixed. As I stated, a clean install and no migration 
may have been the solution. High Sierra has its own issues but this is not one 
of them.

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   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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On 10/31/2017 7:48 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
Hi ET,
This has been going on since Sierra on my mac book air.
Tech support said that it would be fixed a year ago!
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’
On Oct 31, 2017, at 10:41 AM, E.T. wrote:
    Hopefully everyone is emailing Apple Accessibility with this. I have yet to 
see this. I did not use Migration Assistant when I did the clean install, not 
sure if that is why. Be interesting to learn what Apple says.

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   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 10/31/2017 2:53 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
It happens when you are reading or when the computer is idle, Voiceover will 
announce this window.  I did a clean install and it still happens.
Andrew
On Oct 31, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

And is it only happening with web pages?

I have a funny feeling I struck this with sierra and needed a sighted colleague 
to click something to get rid of it.

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Mary,
     Help us. How about a web page (in English) where this happens. Does it 
only happen in web pages and emails?

     Did you do a clean install or did you upgrade over Sierra?

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    our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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On 10/30/2017 8:09 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Well, if anybody cares, I set my Mac to go to sleep after three hours. It had 
been set to  never. And I said the screen saver to kick in after 1 hour. I shut 
down the machine and restarted it. And still, if I start reading a long email 
or an article, within about two minutes or so, I get that damn announcement. 
This is really unusable. I've gone from busy busy on Sierra to this. I'm just 
about done with a Mac. If I can't get basic tasks done efficiently, windows 
here I come. It's really a shame. Because Apple bills nice machines. And the 
phones are great, and I love how the Mac on the phone sink etc. But come on. 
How hard should it be to allow people to just simply read things?


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:

Hi,

You'd think so, but, it seems that the Security Server is still called up and the authentication 
window rears its ugly head.  Try a long time, but not the "Never" option and see if that 
helps at all.  I've been trying to see if I can localize the Security Server and create an 
activity, but haven't made a lot of progress yet.  Lots of "nice try Tim", but nothing 
tangible yet.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 30, 2017, at 13:07, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Tim, but if I have it set not to go to sleep, shouldn't that solve the 
problem? Maybe there are two settings? Maybe I'm missing one.
Mary


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On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:

Hi,

What's happening here is that the authentication layer, which is invisible to 
the sighted user, is activating.  When your computer screen is set to sleep 
after a certain amount of time, or if it is set to lock after a certain amount 
of time, authentication will take over and require a password to allow someone 
access to the computer.  If you disable this level of security, it seems that 
the authentication layer initially still activates, but it does not lock down 
your computer.  Because the authentication layer was activated, VO announces 
that this window gained focus, and, of course, this announcement interrupts 
whatever you're listening to.  extending the time of the screen sleep or scree 
saver will reduce the incidence of this announcement.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 30, 2017, at 12:07, Robert Cole <mr.robertc...@icloud.com> wrote:

Hi,
Try changing the time that the screen goes to sleep.


On Oct 30, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi folks,
With my Mac on High Sierra, I am having VoiceOver interrupt continuous reading 
on webpages every so often with a text that says user authentication window. 
Now if I envoke window chooser, this window is not evident. So I guess it's 
hidden or something. I'm wondering if there's anyway to find it and get rid of 
it.
Mary


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