Hello Simon. Just to point out that if you have a machine which was built after 2012, then you will get everything spoken whereas, if you have a 2012 model, you will get the tones.
Kawal. > On 12 Jun 2017, at 07:10, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > This was a fresh installation from a wiped SSD approx. 3 weeks ago. > I run the update from 10.12.4 to 10.12.5 last week so to my knowledge file > volt is as up to date as it can get. > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn > Sent: Monday, 12 June 2017 5:45 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled > > Simon, > > Either you have the older version of File Vault enabled or else they > eliminated functionality in some systems. I just tried your instructions, and > the vo keys with arrows shift arrows and control arrows say nothing when on > the initial boot screen. This is true on both my MacBook Air (11-inch, Early > 2015) and my MacBook Pro 2015 bought in June 2016. > > of course there is the slight possibility that since I changed my default > login screen to have text entry for the user name that the firmware based > user name / password fields are behaving the same. The firmware login has > three phrases it will speak, username, password, and user name or password > incorrect. > > . > Best wishes, > > Jonathan Cohn > > > > On Jun 11, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Umm, > > John, this is not true, > > I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air, > I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 > and then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and > then vo space bar and enter the password, > > And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx > > So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different. > > the > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese > Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled > > This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for > FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you > simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot > choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login > window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special > login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and > the option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for > FileVault login. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to > VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit > user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user > name has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct > password then in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality > available or else it will say username or password incorrect. > > My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I > have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style > keys I have found to do nothing. > > > Best wishes, > > Jonathan Cohn > > > > > On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched > off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to > the username or password field. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Did your sighted friend see the password field? > > Take care > > > > > 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com>: > > I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of > times. I'll try again maybe I missed something. > Thanks > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while > now. So I have a question about John's post. Do you choose a username, or is > it assigned? If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or > just the name of that folder? > TIA, > Donna > > > On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: > > hi, > > Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the > initial login screen when File Vault is enabled. You can press cmd-f5 to try > to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John > mentioned, just type your username and press return. If it accepts your > username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In > my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each > key-press. After you finish the password, press return and you should hear > three tones if the password was accepted. Your Mac will then start up > normally. You can then log off and on with the normal login screen most of > the time, unless your machine is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll > hear the good old tone once again. > > HTH. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be > sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account > name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called. > Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and hit > enter. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all > I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest version > of Mac OS Sierra. > > I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I > don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to > switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug > in doing so. > > When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, > voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps saying > over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to log in to > my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get passed the log > in screen, luckily someone was on hand. > > I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t ask > for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File Volt > encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in. > > For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to > enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are > there any work arounds, something I missed? > > Nickus > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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