Hi guys. I figured out at least one thing. The disk that I was using wasn't the right one. It says Leopard Installation Disk 1. Today, Mom found one called Leopard Installation DVD. In anyy case, how do I get it to boot from the hard drive and not the cd? I still can't get the cd out of the drive cause the same problem is happening. Do I need to have my Mac turned on in order to use it's hard disk under target mode? Can I delete files that way?
On 25/12/2009, Esther <mori...@mac.com> wrote: > Eleni, > > My guess was that the CD or DVD drive might have gotten warped when > you hit the keyboard, so that the startup discs are having trouble > fully spinning up. The reason I suggested target disk mode is that > you should be able to bring up the disk of your MacBooks's hard drive > this way even under conditions when you can't get your machine to boot > by itself or when using the startup CD or DVD doesn't work. If you > have a firewire cable, just connect your MacBook to your Mom's MacBook > -- firewire port to firewire port. Then power on your MacBook and > hold down the "T" key of its keyboard. It should show up as another > "Macintosh HD" in the Finder sidebar of your Mom's MacBook, just as > though it were an externally mounted hard drive. Navigate and copy > over any files you need. When you're done, arrow up out of any files > that are on your MacBook and eject the drive with Command-E from the > Finder sidebar of your mom's MacBook. You won't be able to eject > unless you're completely out of the hard drive -- if you're even > pointed to a file on that drive in Finder on your Mom's machine the > drive is considered to be in use and won't eject. Hope this works for > you. > > Best, > > Esther > > > Tiffany D wrote: > >> Well, I tried the Leopard disk with c and it doesn't do anything >> except make alot of noise and now I can't get it to boot from the hard >> disk. I heard it start up and tried combinations of command-f5, >> vo-f5, vo-ctrl-f5 and vo-ctrl-command-f5 and I couldn't get it to >> talk. Whenever I try to hit eject it just slows down the drive. When >> I hold it down it stops it, but as soon as I let go, it starts again. >> I should've tried that pram thing first, whatever that is. Now I >> don't even know if I can still do it if it's booting off of that cd. >> I'm sick of feeling like I need to be some kind of technician or >> scientist just to use my computer. I've never seen anything more >> frustrating in my life than this machine. I just want my stuff off >> and saved, the refirbished model and then a quick trip to ebay. Btw, >> I don't blame you guys, so do forgive my anger. You're all extremely >> wonderful and helpful. This is just driving me crazy, particularly >> since I now have no choice but to keep leaving my apartment and coming >> downstairs every time I want to use the desktop, since my netbook is >> still being repaired and my DOS machines didn't come in yet. >> >> On 23/12/2009, Esther <mori...@mac.com> wrote: >>> Hi Eleni, >>> >>> Yes, you can use your the first of your Leopard Startup disks to book >>> up your system if you hold down the "c" key when it starts up. I >>> thought that was what you were trying to do when you said you >>> inserted >>> the Leopard installation disk and the machine made a strange sound >>> like a buzzing, but didn't do anything else. That will let you boot >>> up from the CD or DVD instead of your hard drive. You can also use >>> disk utility to repair permissions. I think that after you boot from >>> the install disk, you listen until the disk stops spinning and then >>> use VO-F5 (or VO-Fn-F5) to start up speech. Then you VO-M to the >>> menu >>> bar and arrow over to Disk Utilities and press enter. Then you can >>> select your hard drive and repair permissions, in case things were >>> left in an odd state by your shutdown. Somebody else may be able to >>> walk you through this because it's been a long time since I did a >>> boot >>> from startup disks. See whether your machine boots up normally after >>> your repair permissions. You may have to select your startup disk as >>> your hard drive before you reboot. >>> >>> Anne gave some nice instructions about how to reset the PRAM in the >>> archives that give more details than my description: >>> >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg08901.html >>> >>> You still might have to reset the PRAM if you get no sound whatsoever >>> (from speakers or headphones). >>> >>> Target disk mode should work even in some circumstances where you >>> can't manage to boot your MacBook up -- it can still get recognized >>> as >>> a temporary hard drive of the other Mac to which you connect via >>> Firewire. Make sure you eject the drive (Command-E) from the other >>> Computer before you power your MacBook down again. >>> >>> That's most of what I can think of, since I may be off for a bit. On >>> the extension cords to the power adapters, the idea is to give you >>> the >>> flexibility to either carry the brick with the shorter cable (for >>> compactness) or the combination with longer (and thicker therefore >>> heavier) extension cable. At home, I leave the extension cord >>> plugged in to the power adapter. I don't think that Apple sells the >>> extension cable separately, although they include it with every power >>> adapter you buy. I know they include it in the AirPort Express >>> Stereo >>> Connection Kit along with the cables that can connect to your stereo >>> system, but that's still something like $40. >>> >>> Here's a site that sells the extension cords separately for $14.77 >>> (from a Google search): >>> http://www.mac-pro.com/Extension-Cord-PB-G4-iBook-AC-Adapter >>> >>> Although it's listed as for a G4 PowerBook, they not that it will >>> work >>> for a MacBook. (And I use the extension cords for my old PowerBook >>> and >>> my MacBook interchangeably). >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> Tiffany D wrote: >>> >>>> My external hard drive stopped working and nothing at all was done >>>> to >>>> it to cause it to break. I'm getting a compact flash card or two >>>> with >>>> a usb reader for the desktops, netbook etc. and a pcmcia >>>> adapter/reader for the laptops and Braille Note. I feel alot more >>>> secure with those. I just want to make sure that it's DOS and >>>> Windows-compatible first. I only use about 20gb on any given >>>> machine >>>> and that's giving myself several gigs of extra space, so I don't >>>> need >>>> a huge drive/card. The other Mac is also a Macbook, so it does have >>>> the port. Opa! I like this idea. I'll try it if nothing else >>>> works. >>>> In the meantime, I've also heard that I can insert the first Leopard >>>> disk and hit c or d and that might get it to work. I'll have to >>>> see. >>>> Assuming that I can get VoiceOver working, I know I can get some usb >>>> sticks to use temporarily so I can retrieve my info and put it on my >>>> XP machine. I'll have to check my Mac bag now. I no longer have >>>> the >>>> original box, so hopefully, I put it in the bag. I never even >>>> realised it came with an extention cord. I'm used to the cords on >>>> laptops being a decent length so one of these isn't necessary, but >>>> it'll certainly make my life easier. >>>> >>>> Esther wrote: >>>>> Hi Elen and Chris, >>>>> >>>>> Did you check whether you can hear VoiceOver through your >>>>> headphones? >>>>> One possibility is that you damaged the speaker connection and can >>>>> still get VoiceOver if you plug in headphones. If it's simply a >>>>> case >>>>> of not hearing sound, you can try resetting the PRAM, since this >>>>> module contains information about initial volume settings and also >>>>> the >>>>> startup disk selection. You'll have to reboot your computer and >>>>> hold >>>>> down the Control, Option, P, and R keys simultaneously as >>>>> outlined in >>>>> this Apple Support document about resetting your Mac's PRAM: >>>>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379 >>>>> >>>>> Chris, I'm not sure that she has a fully working system to back up, >>>>> since she's talking about connecting the MacBook to another Mac to >>>>> get >>>>> the files off. Eleni, here's what I think may work: get a >>>>> firewire >>>>> cable and plug it in between your MacBook and the other Mac. (I'm >>>>> assuming that the Desktop Mac has a Firewire port.) Then, power up >>>>> your MacBook while holding down the "T" key. This lets you boot up >>>>> into target disk mode. What happens is that the laptop's hard >>>>> drive >>>>> shows up as a second drive of the desktop Mac (but probably also >>>>> named >>>>> "Macintosh HD") under the devices in the sidebar of Finder. The >>>>> first >>>>> "Macintosh HD" will be the hard drive for the desktop Mac. The >>>>> second >>>>> one (VO-Down arrow) in the sidebar will be the drive of your >>>>> MacBook. >>>>> You should be able to access the files you want in Finder and copy >>>>> them over to the Desktop Mac or to other hard drives or peripherals >>>>> attached to the Desktop Mac. I've never had to do this kind of >>>>> file >>>>> recovery -- usually I have a cloned drive of my laptop to recover >>>>> files from -- but I just tried booting my 5+some years old >>>>> Powerbook >>>>> up in target disk mode connected to my MacBook. Basically, you >>>>> should >>>>> be able to boot your machine in target disk mode to another machine >>>>> under circumstances where you can't get your system to fully boot >>>>> up >>>>> by itself. However, I would first try resetting the PRAM since >>>>> it's >>>>> possible that might fix the boot up and/or VoiceOver speaking >>>>> problem. >>>>> >>>>> Here's the Apple support document on how to use Target Disk mode: >>>>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1661 >>>>> >>>>> You should have your MacBook connected to AC power if you're >>>>> going to >>>>> be using it in this mode for any extended period (e.g. for copying >>>>> files). >>>>> >>>>> Finally, I'm puzzled by something you mentioned in one of your >>>>> earlier >>>>> posts (on converting movies -- something I'm not familiar with) >>>>> >>>>> Tiffany D wrote: >>>>>> It's bad enough that this is a large machine and that >>>>>> the charger cord is so short it's laughable, but when I can't do >>>>>> my >>>>>> work and ordinary things, it really gets on my nerves. >>>>> It sounds as though you're not using the extension cord that came >>>>> with >>>>> your computer. Each Mac comes with a power adapter whose corner >>>>> has a >>>>> plug attachment whose prongs (for U.S. power plugs) can simply flip >>>>> down and be plugged into an AC outlet. That corner piece can >>>>> also be >>>>> unplugged and the power plug for a different country inserted. >>>>> However, for all the U.S. Macs, there's also an extension plug that >>>>> comes with the power adapter. That's a heavier cable that ends >>>>> in a >>>>> three-prong plug and whose other end can be plugged into the corner >>>>> of >>>>> the power adapter when you pull off the plug attachment. Aren't >>>>> you >>>>> using this? I normally keep this cord plus my Mac power adapter >>>>> unless I want to carry less, or if I don't have any outlets >>>>> available >>>>> that can accept the third prong. The extension cord is usually >>>>> packed >>>>> in with the cables that come with the MacBook. Assuming that you >>>>> had >>>>> the same box that I did, this was in the rectangular bay in the >>>>> foam >>>>> at the front of the box. You shouldn't have any problems with the >>>>> cord length if you're using the extension cord. >>>>> >>>>> HTH >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Esther >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Blouch wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sounds like you got a dud, which happens on all computers of all >>>>>> brands >>>>>> from time to time. Still doesn't make it a pleasant experience. My >>>>>> wife's MacBook has been shipped to AppleCare twice now with a dead >>>>>> motherboad (the first time) and a dead hard drive (the second >>>>>> time). >>>>>> Since I convinced her to switch from her Dell I got to hear about >>>>>> it. Of >>>>>> course the Dell had already had its share of failures hardware and >>>>>> otherwise so it wasn't a huge armtwist. She does like it when it >>>>>> works. >>>>>> >>>>>> That said, as far as a backup goes, you could just plug in an >>>>>> external >>>>>> hard drive and copy to it anything you care about. Time machine >>>>>> also >>>>>> works well and will do an incremental backup every 60 minutes. The >>>>>> UI >>>>>> isn't very accessible but if you had to reinstall things there >>>>>> is a >>>>>> step >>>>>> in the setup where you can restore from a timeMachine backup, so >>>>>> if >>>>>> things really went pear shaped you could at least get your files >>>>>> back. >>>>>> The time machine backup is organized so you could go to >>>>>> DriveName/ComputerName/Latest/YourDriveName and find everything >>>>>> that >>>>>> it >>>>>> backed up from your drive, so you don't have to use their GUI at >>>>>> all >>>>>> once it's turned on. I'd get an external drive roughly 2x the size >>>>>> of >>>>>> the drive you want to back up. That way you'll have room for a >>>>>> full >>>>>> backup and lots of incrementals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>> >>>>>> CB >>>>>> >>>>>> Eleni Vamvakari wrote: >>>>>>> So the Mac quit on me again, no more than two weeks after I got >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> back from Apple. I was trying to use that converter program >>>>>>> and it >>>>>>> just sat there and did nothing, as I've said in another post. >>>>>>> Then, >>>>>>> it just disappeared. One minute it was open and the next it was >>>>>>> gone. >>>>>>> When I reloaded it, I couldn't get into it's menus. I could only >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> into the Apple and other menus by hitting VO-m twice. Now I was >>>>>>> really annoyed, so I did two bad things. First, I pounded my >>>>>>> hand on >>>>>>> the computer and second, I shut it off with the power button >>>>>>> instead >>>>>>> of going through the normal shut-down process. As a result, the >>>>>>> hyphin key came up a little (don't ask how, since I wasn't >>>>>>> anywhere >>>>>>> near it) and when I turned it back on, I got no speech. No >>>>>>> matter >>>>>>> what I did, I couldn't get VoiceOver to start. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Two days ago, Mom came up to try to help me but with no success. >>>>>>> When she turned it on, she only saw an apple going around and >>>>>>> around >>>>>>> and then a blank screen. We tried the tech tool cd but when we >>>>>>> put >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> in, nothing happened. So we tried the Leopard installation disk. >>>>>>> This time, the cd drive made a bit of a strange sound (sort of >>>>>>> like a >>>>>>> buzzing) but did nothing else either good or bad. I heard the >>>>>>> drive >>>>>>> sound getting louder, as it usually does and then it went quiet. >>>>>>> Yesterday, I hooked up the external keyboard but that didn't work >>>>>>> either. The machine turns on, makes the start-up sound and I >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> hard disk is doing something, But I can't get it to talk. If >>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>> can offer me a suggestion as to what I can do, I'd sincerely >>>>>>> appreciate it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the meantime, we called Apple. They said they'd give us a >>>>>>> refirbished model, but now I have to wait for someone to bring me >>>>>>> and/or it to the store. I know that I misused the Mac but it >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> shouldn't be acting like this. It's not like I spilled a whole >>>>>>> cup >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> coffee in the keyboard and threw it out the window. I seriously >>>>>>> can't >>>>>>> take this anymore. Yes, Leopard does have some advantages over >>>>>>> Windows. But what is the advantage of having a $2,000 machine >>>>>>> when >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> always breaks down and when a cheaper one works just as well? My >>>>>>> AppleCare is about to expire, and when it does, I can't keep >>>>>>> shelling >>>>>>> out money every time this thing decides to break down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, I asked a friend about how I can save my files and get >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> off of there and he suggested I hook up my Mac and the household >>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>> via a fire wire connection and use Migration Assistant. How does >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> work? I can't ask Joanie, cause she barely uses it and only for >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> basic things, and Mom's just learning how to use a computer. >>>>>>> Please, >>>>>>> can anyone help me so that I don't mess up the other machine? >>>>>>> Can I >>>>>>> transfer files to a cd or usb stick with this program and is it >>>>>>> possible for me to delete the ones off of my machine with it? >>>>>>> Btw, >>>>>>> I've never used Time Machine, if that's required to use Migration >>>>>>> Assistant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Eleni >>>>>>> >>> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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