Cheers for this, it’s interesting reading, I’m surprized about the storage size though, I would have gone more but up to the individual
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tree Mabry Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 3:56 PM To: MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 2016 Macbook Pro I ordered the 13 inch, non touch bar model, with the 2.0 processor, 256 gigs of storage, and 16 gigs of ram. A few days ago I wrote an extensive post on Apple Vis, about what went into this decision; I have copied and pasted some of that post below; I’m sorry that it’s a bit long. You can read the full post at this link. http://www.applevis.com/forum/hardware-accessories/why-i-just-ordered-2016-mac-book-pro-function-keys I think that the people who have expressed a desire to stay on top of the latest trends in user interface might be especially interested in my paragraph about Apple’s official touch bar user interface guidelines. First let me say that I was pretty open to the idea of the touch bar last week as I watched the Apple event. I felt pretty confident that Apple would make sure that this new interface worked with voice over. In the days after the event I hungrily tried to find any information about how exactly Voice Over accessibility would work with the touch bar. Ironically when I did come across some specifics they both encouraged me, and at the same time helped me decide that I have no interest in the touch bar. The best info I have found so far about Voice Over and the touch bar comes from I accessibility, here is a link to the relevant article. http://iaccessibility.net/index.php/2016/10/28/voiceover-at-the-bar/ The main takeaways are, you can use the number keys as function keys, there are keystrokes for raising and lowering volume, and to interact with sliders on the touch bar you have to double tap and hold, wait for a tone, and then slide your finger. I think the volume keystrokes, and the number keys acting as function keys makes a lot of sense, and I'm really glad Apple is doing things that way. However, as soon as I realized how relieved I was about these changes, I realized the relief was based around me being able to avoid using the touch bar. Basically I do not believe that the touch bar is going to make many things more efficient or easier for voice over users. Take the sliders I previously mentioned. I would much rather turn down brightness by simply holding down a key, instead of the three step process voice over users will have to navigate. To some up my thoughts about touch bar and accessibility, I believe the experience will be fine, but I do not think it will be better then what we already have. I know this post is getting very very long, but I want to now get into the primary reasons I have decided to pass on the touch bar, and they have little to do with voice over Accessibility. 1. I do not believe the touch bar will offer anything to power users who know there keystrokes. If you are an IOS user who wants to get into the mac, the touch bar might be a good way for you to uncover features you didn't know about. But as a long time mac user who knows the keystrokes by heart, it doesn't seem like the touch bar is going to do much that keystrokes can't already do. One of the best list of touch bar features I know about comes from I more. http://www.imore.com/mac-touch-bar I have gone through this list, and almost everything in it is either doable with keystrokes, or does not interest me. Here are a few examples of touch bar features and the corresponding keystrokes. Activate Siri, hold down command space, activate dictation, hit function key twice, new folder in the finder, shift command enter, Reply to email, command r, compose new email, command N, send email, command shift d, new tab in Safari command t, Etc. Etc. Etc. you get the picture. Now if you read the entire I more list, you might accuse me of cherrypicking features to make my point. It's true that I'm leaving out a lot of features, but that is because it would be tedious for me to list them here, and rotating photos or using final cut do not matter to me. Just to be fair, the one and only feature of the touch bar, that we do currently know about, and does interest me is predictive typing. I have long believed that the native mac spell checker is a joke, and I struggle with spelling, so predictive typing on the mac could be great for me. However, that one feature is not enough for me to want the touch bar, and there is nothing inherent about predictive typing that necessitates a touch bar; it could easily be accomplished through keystrokes. It’s not an accident that many of the touch bar features can be accessed through key strokes; Apple’s’ official user interface guidelines for the touch bar state, "Don’t expose functionality solely in the Touch Bar. Not all devices have a Touch Bar, and people can disable app controls in the Touch Bar if they choose. Always provide ways to perform tasks using the keyboard or trackpad.” I know that some people feel the need to have the touch bar so that they do not miss out and are able to stay ahead of the technology curve, but I think these guidelines make it pretty clear that the touch bar is not going to provide much that you can’t access without it. This keystroke issue is not really a voice over accessibility issue. Many sighted power users also heavily rely on keystrokes. I spend a lot of my time editing audio in apps like Pro tools, Amadeus pro etc. and if you don't know your keystrokes in such apps you are not working as effectively as you could, no matter if your eye balls work or not. Some quick googling will lead you to lots of sighted power users who don't see the utility of the touch bar, because they already know there keystrokes. What is more, it is much easier to build up reliable muscle memory with real keys, when compared to slim touch bars that have lots of dynamic elements and no tactile indicators. 2. Windows The second main reason I have no interest in the touch bar is that it will not offer any value in windows if you run bootcamp or Fusion. I tend to use Mac OS for almost everything, but I do keep windows around on bootcamp, and I am hoping to use my new mac to dust off my windows skills. At best there will be some way of using the touch bar as normal function keys in windows. We already know that sighted people will have that option in bootcamp. http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/28/using-touch-bar-with-boot-camp-windows/ However, I do not think this function key touch bar will work with screen readers, and even if it did, real function keys would be better. Of course you could get around this with some fancy key remapping, which I am all for, I always remap my mac keyboards, but once again the touch bar is a problem to overcome, not a practical feature. 3. the price After we way the pros and cons of any technology we always have to come back to the real world and consider price. All of the 2016 mac book pros are two expensive. Apple has raised the price across the board by at least two hundred dollars. The base model mac book pro with function keys is already towards the top of my price range at 1500 dollars, and I would need a very very very good reason to spend 1800 dollars for any computer, especially if its flagship feature is one I don't want. I decided to grit my teeth and go for the base model, but I upgraded the ram to 16 gigs, which I believe is the best way to future proof a computer. If you wanted to get the touch bar model with 16 gigs of ram you would pay at least 2000 dollars, and I am not about to do that. . Those are my thoughts on the touch bar, but they are all opinions and everyone should come to their own decision. On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 11:21:21 AM UTC-4, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote: Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli<http://www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli> Hi: Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? With, or without touchbar? -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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