hi Mark. Guess I am having the same problem you're having is :-)

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> On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:40 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is the behaviour in MacMail, if I am understanding you correctly.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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>> On 17/09/2016, at 20:06, Robert Hill <molliesda...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Yes, I can confirm this bug.
>> I had posted to the v-phone list with this issue earlier this week.
>> 
>> A work-around I found is to double tap on the thread to open it, not go to 
>> the actions and expand the thread.
>> When I double tap to open the thread, then when I flick down with one 
>> finger, the oldest message in the thread is at the top as I would expect.
>> Then what I do is go through the actions, find the message item, then I can 
>> flick down through the messages, and read them by double tapping them,.
>> 
>> Bob Hill
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:36 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> There have been so many posts sent lately that I have lost track so please
>>> indulge me in asking for confirmation of a very annoying bug in the native
>>> iOS 10 Mail app, regarding the threaded view.
>>> 
>>> Here are my major settings for Mail.  
>>> 
>>> Preview, None.
>>> Organize by Thread, On.
>>> Most Recent Message on Top, Off.
>>> Complete Thread, Off.
>>> 
>>> Here are the steps I take to read threads:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> Open the Mail app.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Place focus on a collapsed thread.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Select Expand Thread via the VoiceOver Rotor.  At this point, the thread
>>> expands downward.  
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Now, I single-finger swipe to the right in order to move to the first
>>> message listed below the subject line of the thread and, as is expected, the
>>> text of the message is read, out by VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> The problem is that, regardless of the status of the, "Most Recent Message
>>> on Top", toggle, the first message just below the thread's subject line is
>>> always the most recent post to the thread.  As a consequence, if I want to
>>> read the original post to a thread, I have to swipe all the way down to the
>>> bottom of the list area and reverse swipe back up.  
>>> 
>>> Does this make sense and are any of you encountering this issue?  
>>> 
>>> Again, thank you for your indulgence on this.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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