Mail for me is now so much better. Reading threads is a smooth one handed option and I'm not even quite so upset about 3 finger tap for preview. That breaks the one hand option but still. Bring back hints preview for me and keep 3 finger tap as well so when I turn off hints in a fit of rage when apple add oral hints adds in iOS 15. I wait until I decide on changes or i'de always be cranky boy.
Danny Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Sep. 2016, at 6:23 am, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm the one who originally complained about the changes in mail app but now > that I've had a chance to work with it, and have found the messages router > feature as well as the ability to unpack the thread, I really like the what > they've done with it. > > Sent from my IPhone > > >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 3:34 PM, christopher hallsworth >> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >> Can I speak up here as well? >> >> I beta tested iOS 10 right from the very beginning, developer beta 1. How it >> was, Apple Developer Relations contacted me over a bug report I sent two >> years ago. Yes, two years ago. It was in relation to Braille Screen Input >> and contracted Braille. I reported then that there was absolutely no typing >> feedback when switching to contracted Braille input. After assuring me that >> they were looking for ideas, they finally told me that character feedback >> was turned off in all cases, and it was released like that. I was >> disappointed, but thought “hey, at least I tried”. So you can imagine the >> shock I felt when receiving that. So thought “hey, let’s check this out and >> see what I think?” And wow, it was amazing to see they finally added typing >> feedback to contracted Braille input. Since I was generally happy with the >> implementation, I simply replied to the report and resolving the bug report. >> Future betas of iOS 10 I saw small, but significant, changes, which were for >> the better. I’m not going to say the changes here, since even the public >> beta testers never saw them. They got changed probably in developer beta 2 >> at least. >> >> So please, give us credit where it’s due of course, and don’t blame it all >> on Apple. Thank you. >> >> >>> On 16 Sep 2016, at 03:15, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> I may have only tested the public betas, but, I’m totally going to stand >>> for Chris and the other Devs here who were always one step ahead of me. IF >>> not for their pioneering work on all this. what we have now might: and >>> indeed would be, much much more seriously flawed. I think we who tested >>> the public betas have something to say to this also, for you see, I was one >>> of them and continue to be. Now, I want to say something else that I feel >>> is in connection with all this. Some say we who test the public betas can >>> in fact discuss what we find in public before the final release. You could >>> not be more in error!!! Obviously, you don’t know what you are talking >>> about. Have you bothered to read the terms of agreement that all beta >>> testers, (dev and public alike) must agree to? No? Well, permit me to >>> summarize them for you. We cannot say a thing about what we are finding. >>> We’re strictly forbidden to show you non testers in any way what it is we >>> are working on. If you think you have so much to say, you either pay the >>> developer fee or test the public beta. Until then, shut up!!!!! I’m >>> coming out here in such strong defense of dev and public beta testers >>> because I have gone through just about an entire summer of putting up with >>> idiotic fools whoo have NO respect for non disclosure agreements and the >>> seriousness with which such things MUST be taken. True, not everyone on >>> this list is like that: in fact, I suspect that most on this particular >>> list understand my point of view on this matter. But on VORail, (yes I am >>> being specific about the place where most of this stupidity lives) it >>> seemed to reign supreme. I’m sure I speak for Chris and the other devs and >>> for the other public beta testers here when I say that when we say we >>> cannot discuss something, you’d damn well better take us seriously because >>> we damn well take Apple’s non disclosure agreements very very seriously. >>> If stupid sighted people on podcasts can’t be bother to take such things >>> seriously and go blabbing about what they find, that’s their problem. >>> Also, frankly, it’s not much help to us if Apple doesn’t enforce their own >>> non disclosure agreements. Well, let the rest blab if they want to: I, >>> for my part, will NOT. >>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>> built-in >>> >>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!!!!! >>> >>>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Excuse me, Cheree. that was profoundly disrespectful, not to mention >>>> downright insulting to us devs, me being one of them. Let me tell you >>>> something. We devs did! try getting on Apple about stuff like this. I >>>> did so in iOS 9, and I even more so did in this iOS 10 update beta cycle. >>>> Trust me. I was on the 10 beta from June 30th, when it was announced at >>>> WWDC until now. I've ever since had at least one of my devices on 10. >>>> >>>> I've reported bug after bug after bug to them. I've worked countless >>>> hours to the sweat of my brow! trying to explain these things to them, but >>>> no sollution was ever made. So don't be putting the blame on us devs, OK? >>>> We've done our damdest! to make this new version of OSX, TVOS, Watch OS, >>>> and iOS as wonderful as possible. The thing is, once we make the bug >>>> reports through the bugreporter bug tracker, we really don't then have >>>> much of a say past that point. If Apple fixes it, great, if not, well, >>>> we've done our parts by reporting it. >>>> >>>> Now, if us devs just saw the bug and ignored it, then therefore it was >>>> released buggy, then, I'd totally give this message to you, but, >>>> hunttauhh. I'm not lettin' you have this. I'm sorry. Us devs deserve >>>> more credit, and respect! We really, really really did try! >>>> >>>> Can another person on this list who's a dev and paid the 99 for the iOS 10 >>>> cycle please speak up and advocate for us all here as well? This is just >>>> wrong! >>>> --- >>>> Christopher Gilland >>>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>>> Training Instructor. >>>> >>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com >>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Cheree Heppe >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:08 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: IOS10 Mail app changes >>>>> >>>>> You developers and designers, changers and alter era can flick yourselves >>>>> into you-know-where regarding this change to mail on iOS. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:27, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Correct, the way messages are handled has changed. Visually, it now >>>>>> looks much more like mail on the mac. It also works more like macmail. >>>>>> >>>>>> When in the main message list, individual messages are still handled the >>>>>> same as in iOS 9. Threads are different. If one double-taps on a thread >>>>>> to activate it, one goes into a browse thread view. In this view, >>>>>> single-finger vertical flick moves up and down through the messages. >>>>>> Single-finger horrizontal flicks read through the specific message. >>>>>> Double-tap on the delete button at the bottom of the screen deletes all >>>>>> messages in the thread. Three-finger horrizontal flick moves between >>>>>> threads, threads and individual messages which do not belong to threads, >>>>>> and individual messages. In other words, the same as single-finger >>>>>> horrizontal flick in the message list screen. >>>>>> >>>>>> If one wishes to delete only some messages from a thread, the thread >>>>>> must be expanded. Whilst in the main message screen, single-finger >>>>>> vertical flick to expand thread and double-tap. Now, the thread is >>>>>> unpacked and all the messages in the thread are treated like non-thread >>>>>> messages. Now that I have become used to this new system, I really like >>>>>> it. It took me a few hours of frustration to become used to this new >>>>>> system. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am hoping that, as Apple continues merging the behaviours of apps for >>>>>> iOS and Mac, that we will see a full Mac-based iPad. I love touch-screen >>>>>> and want my touch-screen Mac, or the equivalent. >>>>>> >>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16/09/2016, at 10:09, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> message threading seems to have changed substantially in IOS10. I can >>>>>>> no longer 3 finger flick from message to message in a thread, instead I >>>>>>> have to use the “pre and next” message buttons. Also, the list of >>>>>>> messages in a thread no longer appears, but instead I am thrown into >>>>>>> the first message in the thread and then have to navigate between >>>>>>> messages using the next and pre message buttons. 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