With tables for me right now, interacting with the webpage also makes VoiceOver automatically interact with the table. How do I fix this?
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: > > Hi Arnold, > > The purpose of interacting is to speed up navigation. VoiceOver groups > elements together so that you only need to deal with that element if you want > to. for example, when navigating, VO will come upon a table, and tell you > that it's there. If you don't interact with it, then you've skipped all the > items within that table, thus making you navigate around screens and > web-pages quite quickly. Often, I'll interact with a table, determine the > contents, stop interacting and move on. I find it very helpful in > navigation. I will say though, that I've been using Macs since 1988 and VO > since it was released with 10.4 Tiger, so, I'm very comfortable with the > entire experience. > > Regarding the interaction setting, go into the VO Utility (VO-f8) and check > out both the Navigation and Web panes. Some of the settings there may assist > you. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jun 27, 2016, at 14:30, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote: > > Thanks for all the response I have gotten to my question. So everyone will > know, at this point, it is much less likely that I will take it back than > that I will. And I am very willing to admit that I don't really know what I > am doing yet, that was very much expected by me. > > I have seen several people write to say that I can change something so I > don't have to do all that interacting. First, why do you suppose Apple set > it up this way in the first place? Is there something about having to > interact with things that, when I get use to it, I will find it to be much > better this way? If not, tell me how to fix it so that, at least > temporarily, I don't have to do it. > > Yes, I do have a track pad. I am glad to have it, it is somewhat similar to > my iPhone, and when I get everything together, it will be the closest I will > have become to being able to use a mouse,as well as keyboard commands. When > I am use to everything, I expect I will use both keyboard and track pad, > getting the best of both worlds. > > Arnold Schmidt > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo" <n0...@charter.net> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows? > > >> Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the Windows >> world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader is built in >> to the operating system. I think you said you were using a mac mini, you can >> use the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad commander on my mac >> mini, it makes navigating easier. You can change a voiceover setting so you >> don't have to interact with most things if it's too confusing for you. You >> can reinstall your operating system, even with a new hard drive without >> requiring sighted help. I think the mac provides the best experience when >> browsing the internet. This is not an accessibility feature, but the mac >> operating system is much cleaner than windows. The applications are self >> contained, you don't have a central registry controlling everything, or >> shared files that need to be installed all over the place. Finally, Apple >> has maintained the same interface over several versions of the operating >> system, they don't feel a need to change it with each version the way >> Microsoft changes Windows. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. >> Original message: >>> Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you don't want >>> to read it. >>> I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I have >>> the two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With El Capitan >>> And Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The Macintosh With Voice >>> Over, by Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not to know what I am doing for >>> a while, at the moment, that is an understatement. I have it set up, thanks >>> to Mr. Sniffen's book, Ms. Ingber seems to assume one will have sighted >>> help to do that. I have been with windows since 2000, and Jaws 3.5. I still >>> have Jaws, having bought, last December, the SMA through version 19. I have >>> to figure out, by July 5, whether I want to take the Mac back to the Apple >>> store to get my money back. So far, it seems like a bunch of incredible >>> tedium to get things done, as compared to Windows. The track pad helps, it >>> makes it a little more like my iPhone 6, that I love. Getting things done >>> on the iPhone never seemed to have nearly the tedium as does the Mac,even >>> when my iPhone 5 was new to me. For example, having to interact with >>> things, rather than just hitting enter when I want to do something, or >>> press two or three keys at the same time to get VoiceOver to do something, >>> I have no doubt that I can learn it, but My nagging question during my 14 >>> days is going to be: why? What is so much better about this than Windows? >>> Is the Mac really better, or just different? Is, for example, iTunes really >>> easier to use? What little I have investigated, I am not yet convinced that >>> it is. Already having Jaws, I don't have the issue of having to buy a >>> windows screen reader, and NVDA is making it unnecessary even for a new >>> Windows user to do so. I paid over 50 percent more for this Mac Mini than I >>> could have bought a Windows 10 computer. I wish I had 30 days, rather than >>> 14, to figure this out. The time is ticking. 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