How do you get tables set up that way? In most cases on Wikipedia the table is read weird.
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren <ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Mike, > > > Here's an example of why interacting is a genius idea from Apple. > > > I use Wikipedia multiple times per day. Have you noticed that most Wikipedia > articles have a table near the top of the page which gives information about > whatever the article will be? For example, if you type in Arizona > Diamondbacks, it may give information such as founding date, home stadium, > uniform colors, manager, GM etc. But, I couldn't give a rip about the > founding date, who the GM is or any of that right now. I just wanna find out > when they last won the NL West. In Windows, I have not found a way with any > screen reader to bypass the table. Yes, you could use that keystroke which > bypasses links, but that doesn't preclude a lot in those tables. You could > navigate by headings, but you'll have to hit CTRL+up arrow until you get to > the information in the blurb which most articles put before the table of > contents. In OSX, be I in Safari, Chrome, Lightning or whatever, if I have it > set the way I do, Voiceover will just say "table", but it shan't enter > thereinto. If I just VO right arrow, I'm past that table, and I'm down into > the article's contents themselves. I've found that the web is where > interacting really shines. > > > Ben > > > On 6/27/2016 13:30, Arnold Schmidt wrote: >> Thanks for all the response I have gotten to my question. So everyone will >> know, at this point, it is much less likely that I will take it back than >> that I will. And I am very willing to admit that I don't really know what I >> am doing yet, that was very much expected by me. >> >> I have seen several people write to say that I can change something so I >> don't have to do all that interacting. First, why do you suppose Apple set >> it up this way in the first place? Is there something about having to >> interact with things that, when I get use to it, I will find it to be much >> better this way? If not, tell me how to fix it so that, at least >> temporarily, I don't have to do it. >> >> Yes, I do have a track pad. I am glad to have it, it is somewhat similar to >> my iPhone, and when I get everything together, it will be the closest I will >> have become to being able to use a mouse,as well as keyboard commands. When >> I am use to everything, I expect I will use both keyboard and track pad, >> getting the best of both worlds. >> >> Arnold Schmidt >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo" <n0...@charter.net> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 11:51 AM >> Subject: Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows? >> >> >>> Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the Windows >>> world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader is built in >>> to the operating system. I think you said you were using a mac mini, you >>> can use the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad commander on my mac >>> mini, it makes navigating easier. You can change a voiceover setting so you >>> don't have to interact with most things if it's too confusing for you. You >>> can reinstall your operating system, even with a new hard drive without >>> requiring sighted help. I think the mac provides the best experience when >>> browsing the internet. This is not an accessibility feature, but the mac >>> operating system is much cleaner than windows. The applications are self >>> contained, you don't have a central registry controlling everything, or >>> shared files that need to be installed all over the place. Finally, Apple >>> has maintained the same interface over several versions of the operating >>> system, they don't feel a need to change it with each version the way >>> Microsoft changes Windows. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. >>> Original message: >>>> Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you don't >>>> want to read it. >>>> I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I have >>>> the two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With El Capitan >>>> And Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The Macintosh With Voice >>>> Over, by Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not to know what I am doing for >>>> a while, at the moment, that is an understatement. I have it set up, >>>> thanks to Mr. Sniffen's book, Ms. Ingber seems to assume one will have >>>> sighted help to do that. I have been with windows since 2000, and Jaws >>>> 3.5. I still have Jaws, having bought, last December, the SMA through >>>> version 19. I have to figure out, by July 5, whether I want to take the >>>> Mac back to the Apple store to get my money back. So far, it seems like a >>>> bunch of incredible tedium to get things done, as compared to Windows. The >>>> track pad helps, it makes it a little more like my iPhone 6, that I love. >>>> Getting things done on the iPhone never seemed to have nearly the tedium >>>> as does the Mac,even when my iPhone 5 was new to me. For example, having >>>> to interact with things, rather than just hitting enter when I want to do >>>> something, or press two or three keys at the same time to get VoiceOver to >>>> do something, I have no doubt that I can learn it, but My nagging question >>>> during my 14 days is going to be: why? What is so much better about this >>>> than Windows? Is the Mac really better, or just different? Is, for >>>> example, iTunes really easier to use? What little I have investigated, I >>>> am not yet convinced that it is. Already having Jaws, I don't have the >>>> issue of having to buy a windows screen reader, and NVDA is making it >>>> unnecessary even for a new Windows user to do so. I paid over 50 percent >>>> more for this Mac Mini than I could have bought a Windows 10 computer. I >>>> wish I had 30 days, rather than 14, to figure this out. The time is >>>> ticking. What is so much better about this than Windows, which I already >>>> know how to use? >>>> Arnold Schmidt -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>> <https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. 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