I wonder how these new displays stack up to what we have now, besides having a 
lower price? For some uses, having them louder and/or slower might not matter 
too much, but for work situations, something making constant noise during brake 
time while the press ctrl-alt-del prompt flashes cells up and down wouldn't be 
cool. When I remember, I usually pull the cable from the display end on my 
Focus 40 Blue during brakes as to not overwear the same particular cells that 
would get a ton of extra exercise flashing needlessly. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items


  There is a new braille display coming out, don’t know when but it’s a joint 
project between RNIB and other specialist providers.  I’ve read that these 
braille displays are going to cost £250 (not sure that will be in dollars) but 
these displays are going to be affordable for any person who is on a low budget 
and this will be a game changer.  It will have bluetooth as well.  At present 
they are in prototype and were at the Seasun exhibition which happened in 
March.  Did anyone see those?  These are intended to be sold that more people 
will take up braille and encourage people to read.


  I know I’m not talking about Apple here but they will specifically work with 
the I phone as Third world countries have the I phones but blind people can’t 
get hold of braille devices.


  Kawal. 

    On 14 May 2016, at 18:11, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:


    I'm in the same boat there, I use the reverse panning feature when I use 
the braille display, at least in Jaws where it is available. I'm sure that is 
something FS could include in a firmware update to put in that configuration 
menu to send the command for right pan when you hit the left button, etc.

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    To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
    Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:23 PM
    Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items


    Hi Mark,

    VU stands for Vario Ultra, the newest display from Baum.  And just FYI, one 
of it's features is multiple options for configuring how the panning keys 
behave.  I can't remember all the choices off-hand, but I'm pretty sure you 
could set it up to pan the way you describe.
    Cheers,
    Donna

      On May 13, 2016, at 2:59 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

      I tend to agree with you, Donna.

      By the way, what is a VU?  You wrote that you like that your VU is 
completely silent.

      As for me, I am a big fan of the Focus 40 Blue.

      One thing I cannot stand about using the Focus 40 Blue, in iOS 
particularly, is that one cannot switch the panning keys.

      Currently, although this was not always the case, one could use the left 
panning keys to advance the Braille display.  Now, one can only use the right 
panning key to move right and the left panning key to move left.

      I, however, read Braille with my right index finger.  In so doing, I much 
prefer to pan with my left hand, only.  As it stands, I must now read and pan 
with my right hand.  This causes an enormous amount of fatigue.

      In Windows, using Jaws, there is a reverse pan feature, thank goodness.

      I say all this to say that my next Braille display purchasing decision 
will be based on whether or not the device has a hardware, rather than a 
software, feature to allow reverse panning.

      If any of you know of such a device, please let me know.

      Mark

      -----Original Message-----
      From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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      Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:40 PM
      To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
      Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

      Oh, and in answer to your question, Sabahattin, IOS devices are already 
pretty bloody close to replacing a notetaker, at least for me.  But I think it 
may have come as close as its ever going to.  First, it would have to have 
built-in braille, not something paired by bluetooth.  I turn on the device and 
up comes the braille.  There would have to be no lag between the device and the 
braille.   I love that my VU is completely silent.  If I wake up in the middle 
of the night and want to read, I just pick it up and turn it on.  And since I 
was probably in my book in the Word Processor when I turned it off, I come 
right up to the place I left off when I last put it down.  Easy peasy.

      It's funny, as I write this, it occurs to me that for me, having a 
notetaker is sort of my equivalent of having a Kindle or a Nook.  And I know 
sighted people who have both a smart phone, and a reading device. It's really 
just a reading device, and sometimes a quick note-taking device.  I like that 
it's separate from my phone.  My reading will never be interrupted by any game, 
Facebook, text message, phone call, or one of the myriad of other alerts I 
might get from my phone.  This is also why I have a separate iPod.  There's 
nothing on it but my music and audiobooks, for the same reason.  If I'm 
listening to music, I don't want the chatter from my phone cutting into it.  
Don't get me wrong, I love that my teeny tiny phone can do all this stuff.  And 
there've been plenty of times I was very happy that that was the only device I 
needed to have with me, and it could keep me connected, entertained, and 
provide me with reading and music pleasure.  But when traveling light is not an 
issue, I prefer doing these things on separate devices.  Our phones are great, 
but boy they do make a racket. :)

      Just my thoughts.
      Cheers,
      Donna


        On May 13, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> 
wrote:

        I really dislike the FS braille displays, but did applaud their efforts 
to go more mainstream than their Humanware rival on the notetaker front. 
Inevitably, though, I stuck with BrailleNote because their most important 
function, note-taking and braille translation, remained unparalleled in my 
opinion, and above all things a note-taker must do is to be efficient, which is 
another area Humanware really excel at and have done so right through the Apex, 
which I now have.  Now they’re going Android, there is even more promise there, 
except for Google and privacy of course, and the fact that it’s running a 
two-releases-outdated version of Android.  I also much prefer the thumb keys 
and elegant design of Humanware braille displays to the fiddly alternatives.  
But this is all a matter of personal taste, really.

        Now, here’s a question: what would it take to turn an iOS device into a 
notetaker replacement?

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