I have a couple of friends who work for apple at their california offices. >From what they tell me, this idea has been bounced around the office more than once. No one saw a real serious need for it until now. Of course, they could always pull a Theo De Raadt (OpenBSD) and simply just move their codebase (and other resources) out of the US completely.
Has anyone ever wondered why Google started a holding company in India called Alphabet? Has anyone even wondered why it is that a lot of Google's resources are now outside the US? Its the same reason as with apple right now. Friendlier terms for Intellectual property rights elsewhere (as well as protection from government over reach here). The government needs to step back and take its licks. They screwed up and then tried to get apple to fix the problem they created in the first place. -eric On Feb 23, 2016, at 9:02 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote: > I'm no lawyer but I have to wonder if Apple could simply move ownership of > certain bits of intellectual property to some overseas haven to avoid > complications where security and US sovereignty conflict. Much like some > cruise lines were notorious for registering their vessels in certain locales > that were "more friendly" to their corporate desires, maybe Apple could move > ownership of iOS to some Swiss subsidiary who calls the shots from there. A > sort of off-shore intellectual property haven. I recall Microsoft doing > something similar on an economic front where a subsidiary in a tax-free haven > officially owned a number of their software assets and would sell licenses to > the other parts of Microsoft such that the other divisions showed no profit > on their books. Only on the tax-free haven's books would recognize the profit. > > CB > > On 2/23/16 11:45 AM, Tyler Thompson wrote: >> Call me overly optimistic but considering that apple is one of the richest >> companies in the world with a billion dollars in just cash right now I don’t >> really believe their stance is on the money. I honestly believe it’s about >> security. Someone had posited earlier that agreeing to create this backdoor >> will somehow enhance their security. I respectfully disagree. >> >> Devices that are not up to date still have the old key hard-coded into >> memory. This means that when a new version of iOS comes out (possibly using >> a new key since the FBI ruined the old one) all devices that are not up to >> date will immediately become not just vulnerable, but extremely vulnerable. >> While iOS has an astonishing adoption rate that’s still around 25% >> of iOS users who will have vulnerable devices. >> >> My sincere hope is, as someone else had mentioned that Apple battle it to >> the supreme court, and if they do lose I hope they pack up their HQ and move >> it outside of the US. You’ve all probably seen the quote but it’s worth >> repeating: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little >> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” - Benjamin Franklin >> >>> On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> This FBI case is a enormous value for apple in $ if they win. They can swim >>> in dollars. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> 23. feb. 2016 kl. 08:22 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>: >>> >>> Sorrylist but I think I missed something here, >>> >>> So are you saying that the USA's FBI deleted the iCloud backup for the >>> terrorists? >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu >>> Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2016 9:06 AM >>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search >>> >>> Yep, it later emerged that the FBI, through malice or incompetence, reset >>> the account password and thus prevented those all-important (but >>> incomplete) iCloud backups from occurring. (Notice that iCloud backups are >>> another way in, which is something many customers aren’t >>> aware of.) >>> >>> And I don’t blame you one bit for distrusting the FBI. This is the >>> government that gave birth to “National Security Letters”. The fact that >>> these clowns are pushing for even more power, even though it would be >>> limited to after-the-fact exams, probably says that they aren’t finished >>> grasping, and not by a long shot. Certainly off-worlders can forget any >>> legal protections that you might get as a result of all this, particularly >>> while passing through your delightful TSL checkpoints. I can just imagine >>> it, being asked for my phone so they can take an image for later >>> cryptanalysis, because I “Look foreign". Ugh. >>> >>> But, alas, we’re still in the precarious situation that even if the court’s >>> decision is somehow overturned, we now know something rather uncomfortable >>> about iOS security. Apple just painted a great big “Hack me!” sign on its >>> gigantic half-eaten Apple logo. I side with Apple insofar as I believe >>> we’re entitled to security, but there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell of >>> being able to trust the technology while it’s in such close proximity to >>> the powers that be(TM), much less all the h4x3rz who will be trying their >>> damned best to obtain the golden keys and make life miserable for the 99%. >>> And don’t forget that some of these actors will be well-funded, and under >>> the control of other, less well-adjusted governments. Ironic, given the >>> message Apple is sending about the importance of security. 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