Isn't your supreme court a government agency? Wont this be fixed so that apple have to release things?
Surely all intelegent people know what will happen if they are forced to give the Feds a back door in to apple phones. A hackers paradise, -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2016 9:34 PM To: Tyler Thompson <tktpianostud...@gmail.com> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>; Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search If Apple stand the ground and gets lucky in the supreme court, they will be a very respected company all over the world in information technology companies, shops on the corner, shopping malls and Wall Street etc. Apple pay and medical apps etc. Because almost everybody on the earth that uses information technology devices will think apple devices is safe. Fantastic advertisement and good press. Well deserved, but then they can sell their iPhones a little bit cheaper. Time will tell. Take care 23. feb. 2016 kl. 17:45 skrev Tyler Thompson <tktpianostud...@gmail.com>: Call me overly optimistic but considering that apple is one of the richest companies in the world with a billion dollars in just cash right now I don’t really believe their stance is on the money. I honestly believe it’s about security. Someone had posited earlier that agreeing to create this backdoor will somehow enhance their security. I respectfully disagree. Devices that are not up to date still have the old key hard-coded into memory. This means that when a new version of iOS comes out (possibly using a new key since the FBI ruined the old one) all devices that are not up to date will immediately become not just vulnerable, but extremely vulnerable. While iOS has an astonishing adoption rate that’s still around 25% of iOS users who will have vulnerable devices. My sincere hope is, as someone else had mentioned that Apple battle it to the supreme court, and if they do lose I hope they pack up their HQ and move it outside of the US. You’ve all probably seen the quote but it’s worth repeating: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” - Benjamin Franklin > On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This FBI case is a enormous value for apple in $ if they win. They can swim > in dollars. > > Take care > > 23. feb. 2016 kl. 08:22 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>: > > Sorrylist but I think I missed something here, > > So are you saying that the USA's FBI deleted the iCloud backup for the > terrorists? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu > Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2016 9:06 AM > To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search > > Yep, it later emerged that the FBI, through malice or incompetence, reset the > account password and thus prevented those all-important (but incomplete) > iCloud backups from occurring. (Notice that iCloud backups are another way > in, which is something many customers aren’t aware of.) > > And I don’t blame you one bit for distrusting the FBI. This is the > government that gave birth to “National Security Letters”. The fact that > these clowns are pushing for even more power, even though it would be limited > to after-the-fact exams, probably says that they aren’t finished grasping, > and not by a long shot. Certainly off-worlders can forget any legal > protections that you might get as a result of all this, particularly while > passing through your delightful TSL checkpoints. I can just imagine it, > being asked for my phone so they can take an image for later cryptanalysis, > because I “Look foreign". Ugh. > > But, alas, we’re still in the precarious situation that even if the court’s > decision is somehow overturned, we now know something rather uncomfortable > about iOS security. Apple just painted a great big “Hack me!” sign on its > gigantic half-eaten Apple logo. I side with Apple insofar as I believe we’re > entitled to security, but there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell of being > able to trust the technology while it’s in such close proximity to the powers > that be(TM), much less all the h4x3rz who will be trying their damned best to > obtain the golden keys and make life miserable for the 99%. And don’t forget > that some of these actors will be well-funded, and under the control of > other, less well-adjusted governments. Ironic, given the message Apple is > sending about the importance of security. 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