Makes sense, thanks guys. Knowing that the X is equivalent to cmd-w explains a lot. I really expected there to be a clickable icon for quitting, too, but I guess not. I wonder if apps that have "no windows" to VoiceOver are visible at all on the screen? They get in the way to me, but visually, I wonder if they disappear as though the user had quit them? > On Dec 8, 2015, at 14:50, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: > > Hello Alex, > > The X is equivalent to Cmd-w. She needs to go to the application menu and > click on Quit. Otherwise, she could just use Cmd-q. > The standard shortcut to get to the menus is Ctrl-F2. > To go to the Dock is Ctrl-F3. > To go to the menu extras is Ctrl-F6. > To go to the toolbar is Ctrl-F5. > > I use these shortcuts all the time, except in Pages where they don’t work! > > Cheers, > > Anne > > >> On 8 Dec 2015, at 19:29, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com >> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi list, >> My mother uses a Mac, and whenever I have to take it to fix or install >> something, I find a bunch of apps open. This isn't a problem, but they're >> all empty. Safari, messages, Mail, and others are all there when I >> command-tab, but all report "has now windows" when I switch to any of them. >> I told her she can leave things open and not worry about it, and if she >> wants to close apps, just close them completely. >> >> She responded that she does; she clicks the X, and to her, the app goes >> away. To VoiceOver, though, the app is there but totally empty. >> >> Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Clearly, 'clicking the X' >> is different from command-q, but how? Is VoiceOver seeing something hidden, >> or is this X not the same as the X in Windows? using a mouse, how do you >> actually close an app? Thanks. >> >> -- >> Have a great day, >> Alex Hall >> mehg...@icloud.com <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>.
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