Glad you got it working. I don't know why there's a scroll area there, since tables are automatically scroll areas. Maybe anyone who is annoyed by this can email Apple and let them know? There are other areas where scroll areas have been hidden or removed, to offer one less layer to VoiceOver, and it would be good if this were one more such area. That said, you can just press up or down arrow on the scroll area, without interacting with it or the table, to read and select files. In fact, the only times I interact that far down are when I need to either read a file name character by character, or select multiple items that aren't sequential. Otherwise, arrowing around on the scroll area works perfectly. > On Oct 9, 2015, at 13:33, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hmm, let me try to explain better. :) > > I have quick Nav off and I am in list view in a finder window. > > I went to the sidebar and selected documents. Then I Vo right arrow and hear > vertical splitter. Then i VO right again and hear scroll area. Then I > interact with the “scroll area.” Then I hear “list view table, six items” and > when I try to vo down, like I used to, I hear the actual word “name” then I > VO down arrow because this sounds like a column header and I get a bonk. Then > if I VO right arrow I hear the other column headers for each time I VO right > until I get to the end, where I get a bonk. This has happened since Yosemite. > > Ok, now I feel extremely stupid. While I was slowly going through this > process to type out the issue in detail, I paid closer attention and noticed > after I interact with the scroll area the first thing I hear”list view table” > and so I interacted with it. I feel so dumb but I was then able to interact > with the table/list of files. I never used to have to interact so many times > in the past. I have been having this trouble for months and months and it was > all because I needed to interact an extra time. Plus, why does VO mention the > table first and then name off the column headers after the table? I think > that must be why I was so confused because in my head the column headers > would be spoken before the table itself. > > So, now I have another question, is this how it is for everyone else, or is > something still weird with my computer? Why did they change it so that I now > have to interact so many times. I don’t remember it being a scroll area > before but just a list view or table. What is the benefit of this? > > My apologies and thank you’s. If you all hadn’t asked me such good questions, > I never would have figured this out. It has been driving me mad for so long. > Thank you all. In conclusion, voice Over tracking is not broken. It just > appeared that way to me since I was too dense to figure out how to use this > finder window sooner. :) > > Christina . >> On Oct 9, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >> Odd question, but this is an odd problem. :) Are you, in fact, in headers? >> Vo-shift-backslash will toggle them; perhaps you've enabled them somehow? >> Also, when you say that VO doesn't give more information, what do you mean? >> Column view, for instance, won't provide anything other than the name of the >> file or folder; might the one folder be in column view and you didn't >> notice? My music folder is stuck that way for some reason, though everywhere >> else uses list view with no problem. >>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:39, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> This only happens in Finder or finder like environments. For example, If I >>> am in text edit and I bring up the save document dialogue box, if I want to >>> choose a location other than the default to save my document, the voiceOver >>> cursor gets stuck. It’s very frustrating and I end up asking for sighted >>> assistance. :(I do not have any activities created. I make sure quick Nav >>> is turned off, and yes I have tried turning cursor tracking off and then on >>> again. Sometimes turning voice Over on and then off again works, but >>> sometimes it doesn’t work. :( I am at a loss and very frustrated. I also >>> deleted my fancy voices in case that was causing a problem. I’ve heard of >>> people resetting their voice Over settings and how that fixes some >>> problems. How do I do this and what kinds of problems might this cause? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Christina >>>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 8:31 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Does cursor tracking work anywhere else on the Mac question that is, is it >>>> only happening in finder? Do you have quick nav on? Have you tried >>>> toggling cursor tracking with VO plus shift plus F three? >>>> >>>> Sent from my IPhone >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I am still on latest version of Yosemite. I have had this problem for >>>>> several months and it’s driving me bonkers. I have cursor tracking on and >>>>> I am using list view in Finder. I cannot get the voiceOver cursor to >>>>> enter the list of files. It stays stuck in the column headers. I can kind >>>>> of arrow around with just the arrow keys (not the VO left and right >>>>> arrows) in the file list but I can’t get any other information. It’s like >>>>> the voice Over curser will not follow the keyboard curser. I have tried >>>>> tabbing and everything else I can think of. Does anyone know a fix for >>>>> this? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Christina >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> Have a great day, >> Alex Hall >> mehg...@icloud.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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