Hey if Hillary can break the law and share classified information and if our fearless leader can target people with the IRS or Secret Service than why should a poor shmuck like me follow the laws if the people who right them don’t?
(I’m kidding you don’t need to respond that’s for yucks I’m not serious) Ok PS What I was saying doesn’t break the laws. There are regulations placed by the government on manufacturers that force them to put nanny options in place but I don’t believe it’s illegal for me to disable them on a vehicle i own. I paid for the car, if I want to rewrite the software then I can. Bringing this squarely on topic, this is equivalent to jailbreaking. It’s actually been codified that jailbreaking is legal so me unlocking options in my car or TV or toaster oven I believe is on the level. Now the speeding that results is another matter but I’m lucky to live in an area with out 24 hour pig presence so it’s not a problem. (bacon anyone) > On Oct 1, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, this is now really going to be off-topic, so just a couple of comments. > We also have a new car, and I know what you mean about all the gadgets. But > it does come with a manual, and for those who actually read it, my husband > not being one of them, apparently it's really helpful. Smile. As for those of > you who wish to break the law, that is your business. And I hope you get > caught. Smile. > Mary > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> So I think there is some validity to the complaints. Apple under Steve was >> a much more thorough company when it came to QA. Under Tim Cook things have >> gotten sloppy. The Apple maps issue is one of the big indicators of this. >> Secondly, Microsoft has n o screen reader because the folks at the NFB >> forced them not to. Freedom scientific bribed the NFB for 7 figures to >> protest Microsoft’s creation of a screen reader because it was a competitor >> to JFW and FS didn’t want to see a functional included screen reader. I >> know someone who was present in the room when Ted Henter offered the bribe >> to the NFB president for north of a million. With in a week protestors were >> marching up and down in Redmond in front of the MS head quarters. Try tried >> to do something similar to Apple but Apple ignored them and proceeded >> anyway. So you can thank the NFB for not having a screen reader native to >> windows. >> Finally, I think you’re little off base with your equivalent comments on >> cars and such. A lot of sited people do have to fiddle with these things >> when they buy them. My uncle just bought a new car and he has been >> desperately trying to learn all the gadgets. There is a steep learning >> curve and there is in fact stuff that doesn’t work right. A lot of us as >> well aren’t happy with the stupid smog control laws and such and reprogram >> our cars to be much more efficient and get better milage as well as more >> power. We also have nanny things like the 155 MPH fuel cut off and other >> big brother limitations removed. Think of the huge modification industry >> where you can buy everything from new rims to new radios. I do agree I >> think a lot of us assume there will be bugs but that’s sort of the nature of >> the beast, not something bad but rather something that just comes with the >> computing territory. >> >> Good points and good things to think about, thank you for the post. >> >> >>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> To the person who said they don't remember negativity when new releases of >>> screen readers came along, I can only say, I don't know where you were. But >>> I used to be a regular on the window eyes list. And let me say, there were >>> tons and tons and tons of complaints every time new releases came out. >>> There were, in fact, bugs, some of them serious affecting some people. And >>> that screen reader vendor was a very small player in a very big pond, >>> contending with multiple versions of the OS an endless configurations a >>> hardware. I think the reason people expect more from Apple is because Apple >>> has a reputation, their stuff sells for more than everybody else's, they >>> are the richest company in the tech sector, and they used to say, "it just >>> works."and for better or worse, they have taken up the gauntlet of >>> accessibility and done a lot of very good things. Are you listening >>> Microsoft? Where is your screen reader? But this isn't about comparing >>> apples with anybody else. It is about what Apple supposedly stands for. Bug >>> free? No. Serious bug free upon release? To be devoutly wished for. To the >>> folks who say that some of us regular consumers are "afraid of our >>> machines", I would only say, when you buy any other complicated machine >>> such as a car, or even a complicated video set up or one of today's fancier >>> home appliances, do you expect to have to fool with it get into the inside >>> of it, mess with it, restarted restore it repair it? No, of course not. But >>> there is a different standard being held for users of computers. Maybe some >>> of it dates back to that "good old days". Maybe it's just that some people >>> are in the tech industry and have a lot of knowledge. But, just as I would >>> not have expected anyone to be able to do my job off the street, I don't >>> think it is realistic or even reasonable to suppose that people who get a >>> new OS or a new machine should have to straightway start screwing around >>> with it before they can use it. If that makes me a complainer, so be it. I >>> really appreciate that Apple has done a lot with voiceover, including the >>> new features in the new version of OS X. I will wait to see what the good >>> folks at Apple his who did the original report, have to say about these >>> bugs. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> No I agree with you, that’s why I mentioned what I thought about bugs. >>>> The whole vibe I get from this thread is there are a lot of people afraid >>>> of their machines. None of this stuff is hard to revert, especially if >>>> you have a good backup which Apple makes it ridiculously easy to do. No >>>> guts, no glory! >>>> >>>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 4:13 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A philosophical pondering which probably will get me flogged and called >>>>> names but isn’t it strange how when a new release of the MacOs comes out, >>>>> the things that stay longest around in the blind community are the bugs >>>>> and the negative? If by chance there would be things that actually could >>>>> effect us positively that would hardly be mentioned at all and if they >>>>> are, they quickly drown in the negative comments. I have used El Capitan >>>>> from Beta 1 and am loving it! I’ve noticed one bug but i can live with it >>>>> since it was much, much worse in the developer betas. I can’t remember >>>>> this much negativity coming when windows or new jaws releases came along, >>>>> it’s like Apple still is the under dog and it has to be perfect and even >>>>> then we’d probably find something that’s not right. >>>>> But why should anyone listen i’m a minority and go against what the >>>>> majority says so i must be wrong by default. >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>>>> 30 sep. 2015 kl. 19:56 skrev Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> Just a note to say that El Capitan has been released. I compiled a bug >>>>>> list for AppleVis which I strongly recommend everyone looks at, as there >>>>>> are some pretty major problems on there. I also wrote a blog, and did a >>>>>> podcast, covering the new features in VoiceOver. Links: >>>>>> >>>>>> Bug List: >>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/mac-os-x-news/accessibility-bugs-os-x-1011-el-capitan-serious-minor >>>>>> >>>>>> New Features Blog: >>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/assistive-technology-mac-os-x-news/whats-new-os-x-1011-el-capitan-voiceover-users >>>>>> >>>>>> New Features Podcast: >>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-some-new-accessibility-features-os-x-1011-el-capitan >>>>>> >>>>>> I realized, in reading this email back, that it might come off as a >>>>>> little arrogant. I don't mean it that way, I just wanted to give people >>>>>> a single place to get some coverage about the new OS, and those are the >>>>>> only accessibility-centric sources I know of for now. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>> Alex Hall >>>>>> mehg...@icloud.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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