The one issue I would take with Chris's post, is that owning a copy of a song/book/movie, etc. isn't the same as owning the copyright, so that analogy just doesn't hold. All I want is the option to own my copy free and clear. If I go to B&N and buy a book, that book is mine. I can take it on vacation, read it to my kid, display it on my desk, etc. If I buy a music track, I want the same thing. If I want it on a different device or a CD, I want to be able to put it there. That's very different from the type of things that a copyright allows you to do. I don't need to be able to sell it to a television network for use in a commercial. I just want free movement of that one copy that I have purchased. So yes, if I buy the song, I should have the right to freely manipulate the song so long as it is for my own personal use.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Apple Music or with the myriad of other similar services. In fact, I've been kind of surprised by all the hoopla it has received on this list. There's really nothing novel about it. Apple's just gotten their hands into the streaming market along with Sirius/XM, Spotify, and a host of others. We subscribe to Sirius, and quite enjoy it. However, when Apple starts mucking around with my rights regarding music I have legitimately purchased, then I do take issue. > On Jul 4, 2015, at 2:18 AM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> > wrote: > > Great post. Cheers! > > > Visit my groups: > > The Chat Zone > the-chat-zone+subscr...@groups.io > The Tech Zone > the-tech-zone+subscr...@groups.io > Apple Music > apple-music+subscr...@groups.io > > > > > >> On 3 Jul 2015, at 23:44, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Actually, >> >> Let's be very clear here. I actually love the openness you get with >> Android. In fact, in some ways, I like it a bit more than Apple. this >> however said, the way I see it is like this: Apple is great for some >> things, and Android is good for others. >> >> I actually think it's awesome how Apple did their whole thing with Apple >> Music legistically. Think about it this way. >> >> You've heard about this new band who is hot on the radio. They're not >> typically your style, but you're willing to have an open mind. So, what do >> you do? You go find them in ITunes, and you stream the album totally for >> free. You can do it unlimited amount a times, 1 time a day, or 10 thousand! >> times a day. OK, fine, smart alak, you can't get 10000 plays in one day, >> but you get my point. Point being, you're never! never never ever ever >> obligated or require to buy it. If you like it enough, and feel it is worth >> it, and you really want to support the artist, and you really want to buy >> the album, then buy it! What if an album goes out of print before you have >> that chance? Well, that's justa risk you take. Most things though don't go >> out of print unless there's a really good reason for it, so that really >> isn't a completely logical excuse. It kind of is, I'll admit, but not >> really. >> >> I see both sides of this. I know that people want to own their music, but >> think of it this way. Technically, you don't own the music anyway. You >> don't own the copy rights on it, do ya? So, technically speaking, I know >> this is going on a major stretch, but is it really your's? No, it's not. >> >> Chris. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher hallsworth" >> <challswor...@icloud.com> >> To: "macvisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:37 PM >> Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library >> >> >> May I kindly therefore suggest you leave the Apple ecosystem and go with a >> system like Android or Windows? When you buy an Apple product, you have to >> agree to "their" terms and be in their ecosystem. Don't like it? Don't agree >> to "their" terms, sell or return your Apple products and go for a more open >> platform. Chris, myself and others, even my friend of ten years this >> October, love Apple very much and will always stick by them. Sorry, I just >> can't understand the complaints of such a new service and the ecosystem >> altogether, especially if they themselves are on an Apple list. Just my >> £0.02 worth. >> >> >> Visit my groups: >> >> The Chat Zone >> the-chat-zone+subscr...@groups.io >> The Tech Zone >> the-tech-zone+subscr...@groups.io >> Apple Music >> apple-music+subscr...@groups.io >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 3 Jul 2015, at 22:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I suppose next, you're going to tell us how to get a copy of jaws totally >>> for free illegally! Oh, come on! It won't hurt to steel from the company! >>> Rauight! Smirk? >>> >>> Never mind my major! sarcasm. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaf" <shafpa...@gmail.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:35 AM >>> Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library >>> >>> >>> +1. >>> I've tried cracking the DRM with stuff like Sound Taxi with no luck. >>> They've apparently modified/strengthened the DRM protection which sucks, >>> but somebody will come up with a workaround soon. >>> 95% of my offline music collection is in FLAC. I cannot comprehend >>> depending on streaming services to deliver my music. £10 per month is >>> ridiculous - and I don't own a local, non-protected copy of any of my >>> tracks while I am subscribed. >>> Streaming music appeals to many because they think they're getting a >>> good deal and don't have to torrent stuff all the time. Same thing with >>> Netflix. If people are happy with that then it's really their choice, >>> but why wouldn't you want to own a local copy of material? What if the >>> internet dies, you're capped, you have a slow connection etc? >>> >>> Finally, if I want to support an artist I'll make an effort to meet them >>> and find alternative ways of donating to them, rather than purchasing >>> from a company who takes a 30% cut of the funds. That is just wrong, and >>> same goes for developers who make incredible apps and are forced to >>> upload their apps in the app store. Apple don't deserve 30% of a cut. >>> Not even payment gateways take that much. >>> >>> >>> -Shaf >>> On 7/3/2015 2:24 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >>>> DRM is evil. Apple DRM is no exception, even if they’ve probably invented >>>> the least annoying kind of DRM there is, it’s still DRM and it still >>>> restricts you, all in the name of artificial market differentiation. Which >>>> is wrong, and evil. >>>> >>>> As to Apple Music, I can see myself using it for discovery, but I’ll never >>>> allow my library to become tainted with the content. It’s just too great >>>> a risk, for me and I think for others; if streaming becomes popular and >>>> therefore exclusive, music ownership will be lost forever. Also, it’s >>>> fairly well known that streaming and rentals don’t help artists nearly as >>>> much as purchases, because there’s fierce competition on the margins and >>>> of course the listening tastes of listeners are not nearly as uniform as >>>> one might hope for the artists. >>>> >>>> So, yes, very awesome, but let’s not forget what this is about: you’re >>>> paying for a closed service that will end when you stop paying for it. >>>> Online or offline, indistinguishable from the real thing or not, the >>>> service is either a way for you to stay locked in, or a way for you to >>>> purchase songs. And it’s all thanks to DRM. I’d have hoped for a >>>> thousand other different models that reconciled reality with market >>>> desires, perhaps involving lossless formats or automatic purchases of >>>> offline downloads, but there it is. 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