By the way Saben,

So you’re scared of your data being collected though you hand your life to the 
company? Itunes, your email, your music on the cloud, your files on the cloud? 
You really are this naive about how everything really works not only in 
technologies but also in the socio political fabric? I go with the knowledge 
that it doesn’t matter what data is taken from me, if I have nothing to feel 
guilt about, so long as the company does not try to bombard me with 
advertisement. Google and facebook do that. So I use none of those services 
except for gmail but everything else is opted out. Facebook? Do I care if 
someone has eaten sandwich yesterday? Am I so socially deprived as to not be 
able to do this, eating sandwiches with others? No. I am out there and meet 
friends and strangers everyday. Thanks to my iphone as a communication device. 
Weird that I use facebook messenger because my friends happen to be on fb but I 
never open the fb app.

If however I learn that the company I prefer over every other in terms of 
hardware and useability is not taking the data centric approach, again for 
those of you who are enraged freaking apple fanboys, not for bombarding us with 
ads and all the bullshit google and company do, then I will be concerned. Apple 
needs to, and will up the ante in terms of using data to have more precision in 
their apps. for instance, the running app on the watch. It’s very far off the 
mark as opposed to other locational devices because lack of data. Do you 
remember when Jobs was still there and this scandal about people’s privacy 
being breached came out just because apple was collecting data from all users 
about location? This was simply because they were trying to be more precise 
with location. You were probably of those who jumped barking like mad about 
privacy. Well, it may very well happen that this still occurs. However, it’s 
not sent to some third party marketers but kept within apple. Which I like 
about it. But other data also needs to be shared and compared analytically. I’m 
not talking google analytics. I’m talking data warehousing and realtime data 
analytics for the purpose of the experience for the user. Not for how to make 
one’s bottom line grow.

I really think, Saben, that you need to get out more. Go to a festival, go 
travelling around the world. You seem very confined in your ideas, not able to 
look at both sides of the coin. I love apple. Don’t get me wrong. I have mostly 
all their devices for every situation. But I’m not their bitch nor a sheep.

Cheers

 
> On 6/06/2015, at 10:03 am, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hang on a minute.  You’re concerned about Apple’s continued business 
> viability in spite of overwhelming evidence of their success, because unlike 
> those guys over at Facebook and Google, they don’t make gobs of money by 
> harvesting user data for free services, and your explaining your 
> justifications by way of sources quoted by Business Insider?
> 
> Just so there’s some sort of accessibility-related edge to this nonsense, I’d 
> just like to say that I feel very fortunate indeed that the most accessible 
> platform also respects my privacy the most of all the mainstream proprietary 
> platforms.  Sure, I think Timmy-boy is telling a little white one when he 
> says they don’t collect user data—of course they do, and they would rather 
> you used their iCloud and store services, and will if necessary take steps to 
> accidentally rope you into the family.  But honestly, I infinitely prefer the 
> completely optional wallet rape you get from Apple to the completely 
> involuntary data raping practices of FarceBook and the great chocolate 
> factory in the sky.  Those two companies make you the product in exchange for 
> little tasty morsels of mediocrity, and have done more to harm personal 
> privacy than any other organisation with the possible exception of the NSA 
> and GCHQ.  So if the suggestion here is that Apple should take my data in 
> addition to their excessive margins, then the person suggesting it is all 
> about the money, plain and simple, and can sod right off.
> 
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