Wow, Saben you’re totally sucked into the apple paradigm and can’t even look at 
the other side of the coin, only pigeon holing anything coming out of business 
insider (which incidentally takes a lot of interesting covers from all angles) 
as a money making scheme. You also think just because not A then definetely 
only B. You preach on and pontificate about apple’s privacy concerns etc etc, 
and can’t even see the other side, the flip side. Not necessarrily the evil 
side. But when you look at it in the sense of technology, not making any 
intelligent data collection, not necesarrily using it for freaking advertising 
or any of that crap, which you duely think I was referring to which is innocent 
foibling, you are totally omitting the fact that data gives information about 
your running trends, your heart beat, your health, your usual locations of 
preference, your interests that might coincide with an event happening near 
you, your mate who’s doing something though you can’t care to constantly login 
to facebook but set a few favorites in case they want to catch up, the list is 
endless. And since you can’t even see the accessibility benefits that can come 
out of data collection, here are a list of examples mister apple suckle fan:
1-data collection can allow your phone to give you important information about 
your surrounding by using sensors. I know, I’m working on ultra sound sensors 
and laser pointers at uni for this effect. if you don’t send a lot of this data 
to be crunched, analysed and re factored you’re stuck with very inprecise 
locational data.
2-THis can improve siri so much that we wouldn’t have to guess what to say in 
order to get back what we want. Siri, at this point, uses apache technology at 
a scalable level to handle it’s job, but its really not that great. It still 
does take your data such as for transcribing what you ask. It just doesn’t do 
anything marketing wise with it.
3-With data collection, Siri can be much more aware of your person and 
personality. this is by using machine and deep learning which both require 
repetitive data streaming in order to perfect its guesses.

Again, the list goes on, but all you can do is slam the person bringing 
information about what could be harmful to the company they like. Yea dude, 
chill out a bit and take both sides of the coin. or maybe you got nothing else 
going on but roaming these macvisionary sites and talk about apple applications 
and apple tech stuff. Go out in the real world sometimes, outdoors, walk out 
there and meet more people and listen to their opinion, even if they don’t fit 
your own description of computer heaven.

Have a nice weekend 


> On 6/06/2015, at 10:03 am, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hang on a minute.  You’re concerned about Apple’s continued business 
> viability in spite of overwhelming evidence of their success, because unlike 
> those guys over at Facebook and Google, they don’t make gobs of money by 
> harvesting user data for free services, and your explaining your 
> justifications by way of sources quoted by Business Insider?
> 
> Just so there’s some sort of accessibility-related edge to this nonsense, I’d 
> just like to say that I feel very fortunate indeed that the most accessible 
> platform also respects my privacy the most of all the mainstream proprietary 
> platforms.  Sure, I think Timmy-boy is telling a little white one when he 
> says they don’t collect user data—of course they do, and they would rather 
> you used their iCloud and store services, and will if necessary take steps to 
> accidentally rope you into the family.  But honestly, I infinitely prefer the 
> completely optional wallet rape you get from Apple to the completely 
> involuntary data raping practices of FarceBook and the great chocolate 
> factory in the sky.  Those two companies make you the product in exchange for 
> little tasty morsels of mediocrity, and have done more to harm personal 
> privacy than any other organisation with the possible exception of the NSA 
> and GCHQ.  So if the suggestion here is that Apple should take my data in 
> addition to their excessive margins, then the person suggesting it is all 
> about the money, plain and simple, and can sod right off.
> 
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