Hey Dan et al,

The most recent version of Logic I've been able to investigate was 9.
Off the top of my head that's still the latest version.  So far as I
could tell there wasn't a single accessibility improvement over the
last update to version 8, which was a bit disheartening.  As things
stand, with a good control surface and a lot of determination, you
could probably survive day to day in Logic, but there's bound to be
things that you'll do without feedback, workarounds for some and plain
no way of doing others.  Personally I wouldn't dare use this sketchy
approach in a professional capacity when I'm working on someone elses
time, hence the only reason my Mac still has Windows on it to fire up
Sonar.  Regardless of whether you'd be using it at a pro level or not
though, paying out the type of money you'd need too for a good control
surface on top of the price of Logic seems like madness currently.

I've discussed the current and hopefully future improvement of
accessibility at length with accessibil...@apple.com, and so far it's
been trickier than getting blood out of a stone lol.  They seem to be
classing access to existing features as a new feature in itself, hence
in there view this falls under the usual Apple strategy of saying
nada, nothing, zip.  Purely my oppinion, but my guess is that half of
the reason for this is that they know about as much as we do, IE not
much, about whether and when things will move forward.

For now probably the best any of us can do is to express an interest
to Apple.  While the Digidesign improvements are still at too much of
an early stage for anybody apart from Slau and perhaps a few others to
know much, it probably wouldn't do any harm to slip in a reminder that
a third party company is making a concerted publicised effortt and in
all likelyhood is going to have a usable product with VO first.

Just IMHO again, but access aside, I'd say Digi have the better
product currently.  That's good news for you and I, in spite of how
frustrating the waiting game undoubtedly is.

Hth
Scott



Dan Eickmeier wrote:
> Is Logic at least sort of accessible?  Or totally not at all?
> On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:21 AM, Justin Kauflin wrote:
>
> >
> > I'd also like to express my interest in any developments concerning
> > Logic and any other music production software being made accessible.
> > It would certainly be nice to actually have a choice when looking at
> > all the software that is out there.  I'm quite interested to see what
> > progress DigiDesign makes with Pro Tools.  Maybe this can be used as a
> > catalyst in order to get other companies to follow suit.  If more
> > blind musicians show that if work is done for accessibility, there
> > will be a response, maybe more companies will realize the benefits...
> > Just my thoughts.
> >
> > Kevin Gibbs wrote:
> >> JPR,
> >>    Like you, I'm very interested in the potential for accessibility
> >> with
> >> Logic and VO.  Unfortunately, think about how long it took Apple to
> >> make
> >> iTunes accessible.  That's their flagship application and it took
> >> years.
> >> Logic serves a very small market compared with iTunes and it will
> >> take even
> >> longer.  That said, I'm certainly hoping that Logic becomes
> >> accessible just
> >> so that there's an option on the Mac side for MIDI based composers.
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe
> >> Rykiel
> >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:25 AM
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: logic
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> as a musician, I've always wondered why Apple has made so few
> >> efforts to
> >> make logic accessible to us. After all, logic belongs to Apple
> >> doesn't it.
> >> I'm of course appreciate Digidesign's attitude regarding
> >> accessibility, but
> >> logic is much cheaper and doesn't require extra hardware except for
> >> a good
> >> soundcard. With snow leopard and Apple's recent accessibility
> >> improvements,
> >> I imagined logic would be one of their first goals, taking the
> >> number of
> >> potential blind users into account.
> >> Even garage band, which is not quite professional enough but still
> >> usable
> >> for starters, has accessibility problems.
> >> What is the logic in all this?
> >> Cheers,
> >> JPR
> >>
> >> http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel
> >> http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel
> > >
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