hi Chris
If I understand what you're asking, I have PDFpen PRO that I have been using 
which for me works fine. Some people had some trouble, but it works on my 
computer pretty well. I have a 2011 MacBook Pro with 8 GB of memory, just in 
case that matters.
Gigi

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> On Apr 4, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Chris Apple boy <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does this apply on the mac as well? Not talking about image Pdfs because as 
> we all know these are not accessible unless sent to some Ocr package. I'm 
> talking about editing Pdfs in general. I've not found one screen reader 
> compatible program for Windows at least for the editing portion. Sure I can 
> use the program but it's minimally functional. Take Nitro Pdf for example. 
> I've heard good things about Pdf Pen is this the standard editor of choice 
> for you?
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
> 
>> On 04/04/2014 18:11, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> That's generally true with screen-readers. I have a sighted friend who uses 
>> Adobe acrobat to edit pdf files, but editing pdf with screen-readers has 
>> always been minimal in my experience. Even reading them is somewhat 
>> problematic.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> “Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.”—Richard P. 
>> Feynman
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've always thought of PDF as a consumption format rather than an editable 
>>> document. Sort of like an mp3. You create an audio file in something with 
>>> multiple tracks that you edit and such and when you're done you export to 
>>> an mp3. Likewise you edit your document in Pages or the like and when 
>>> you're done you can export to PDF. Once exported it's really hard to make 
>>> any additional changes.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>>> On 4/2/14 8:23 AM, Josh Gregory wrote:
>>>> Yes that's correct. However, oddly enough, pages cannot open PDF files, 
>>>> only export to them.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Matt Dierckens <matt.dierck...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well I see you're right. You can only export files to word, PDF, epub, 
>>>>> Pages 09, and text.
>>>>> I do know that textedit can do RTF.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt Dierckens
>>>>> Macintosh Trainer
>>>>> Blind Access Training
>>>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>>>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Josh Gregory <joshkar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Weird, there was one format I know it said it couldn't support and I'm 
>>>>>> pretty sure it was RTF. Maybe I was wrong.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Matt Dierckens <matt.dierck...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Textedit will support RTF and so will pages. With pages you just can't 
>>>>>>> write in RTF.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Matt Dierckens
>>>>>>> Macintosh Trainer
>>>>>>> Blind Access Training
>>>>>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>>>>>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Josh Gregory <joshkar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The one thing I don't like about it is that it does not support Rich 
>>>>>>>> text format files, this may seem a little picky but I think that a 
>>>>>>>> word processor such as pages should at least be able to support what I 
>>>>>>>> think is a pretty basic file format.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi all. I have pages now, and I do like it. I kinda wish VO would 
>>>>>>>>> announce a heading as a heading and not just as bold 18 pt, unless, 
>>>>>>>>> that's all a heading is.
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Chris Apple boy 
>>>>>>>>>> <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Scott and all
>>>>>>>>>> All I can say is I really like both TextEdit and Pages on my Macbook 
>>>>>>>>>> Pro 2012 model. Numbers for the mac I plan to get in the near future 
>>>>>>>>>> as well as Keynote which is Apple's answer to Microsoft PowerPoint. 
>>>>>>>>>> I've heard great things though about the latest Numbers and Keynote 
>>>>>>>>>> all of which sound promising.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards Chris
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/04/2014 11:58, Scott Duck wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, 
>>>>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>>>>> what I had hoped.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well 
>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>> VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this 
>>>>>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>>>>>> What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are 
>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>> with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the 
>>>>>>>>>>> Mac.  Is
>>>>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with 
>>>>>>>>>>> spreadsheets.
>>>>>>>>>>> Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using 
>>>>>>>>>>> it with
>>>>>>>>>>> VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if 
>>>>>>>>>>> you have
>>>>>>>>>>> much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott Duck
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