Um? Yeah, a lot of card games, in 2 sites. I don't consider all the sub games in a game its own game. On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:01 PM, BBS <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
> I just want to correct the person that said there are only a few games on > the Mac. There are a lot of games to play on here. I like to play RS Games > and the Playroom on here with its web client. > > > Shawn > Sent From My White MacBook > > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:54 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Stability of the Mac > > I don't use muds, so that's not an issue for me, though I know this is > important to some people. I think someone was developing a mac client called > imud, but not sure what happened to it. > Original message: >> Hmm, everything? Have you found a MUD client of the likes of Mush-z, >> that is free? Also, there are very few games for the blind on mac, >> although I must honestly say I don't play many games on Windows anyway, > lol. > >> Sent from my iPod > >>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 23:31, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: > >>> Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without >>> sighted help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone >>> offered me a windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks. >>> the mac does everything I need, and does it better than windows. >>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote: > >>>> All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows >>>> with a screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of >>>> control. I am very rarely left in the middle of doing something without >>>> speech whereas on Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence. I >>>> feel much more in control on my Mac. > >>>> Andrew >>>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from >>>>> the windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and >>>>> so had to believe in something that provided me with my bread and >>>>> butter, and of course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any >>>>> windows system with great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, >>>>> although it is better in versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing >>>>> issues than Mac. Some of it, probably most of it, is due to the fact >>>>> the the screen reading software is separate from the os. this has >>>>> always caused instability and i don't see that changing any time soon. > >>>>> When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and >>>>> Mobile speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the > >>>>> iOS. I, and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes >>>>> and lock-ups and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of >>>>> times even in a day. > >>>>> I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to > >>>>> give them up. > >>>>> . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>> this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of >>>>> view, i have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a >>>>> windows laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk. > >>>>> i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how >>>>> voiceover works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very >>>>> different on the mac or os side. > >>>>> speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the >>>>> first week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has >>>>> my mbp slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? >>>>> yes, but it's come back to its original performance soon after these > fits. > >>>>> my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in >>>>> general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really >>>>> bad about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i > >>>>> maintain my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ... > >>>>> the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you >>>>> continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the >>>>> whole concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still > >>>>> am not fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step > >>>>> to access some things using voice over. once you get used to it though >>>>> and combine quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list >>>>> a ton of stupid questions, :) you'll be fine. > >>>>> i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's > >>>>> fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some >>>>> time and be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all >>>>> instructions, podcasts and other things about switching, commands and > apps. >>>>> jenine stanley >>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com > > > >>>>> on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery <blindfait...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>> hello scott, > >>>>> you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you >>>>> will have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having >>>>> said this let me first tell you that ever since i switched to using a >>>>> mac more than 3 years ago i have become probably one of the biggest >>>>> apple fan boys that there is, so my thoughts on this subject are going >>>>> to have a strong apple bias to them. > >>>>> if you are wanting a computing environment that is very stable >>>>> compared to what you are currently getting on the windows platform >>>>> then in my opinion you would be very happy with a mac. > >>>>> the instability of my windows computer is exactly what helped me to >>>>> make the decision to make the switch over 3 years ago. > >>>>> i used to have to restart my windows computer several times a day and >>>>> now that i am on a mac i hardly ever need to reboot. > >>>>> you will notice that i said "hardly." i have had to restart my mac once > >>>>> in a while due to lost speech or something, but as i stated with the >>>>> use the word hardly this does not happen with any regularity. > >>>>> now having said all of this let me give you a little word of caution >>>>> about switching platforms. i teach blind people who make this switch >>>>> how to use their macs for a company called fedora outlier, llc and one >>>>> the biggest mistakes that people make is thinking that switching from a > >>>>> windows computer over to a mac computer is going to be easy. > >>>>> it isn't as easy as one might think. after all you are going to have to > >>>>> learn how to use a totally different operating system and a new and >>>>> different screen reader. > >>>>> now having said this if you are determined to learn the new platform >>>>> and you do it correctly by this i mean that you don't try and learn >>>>> everything in one day you can definitely learn how to use a mac very > quickly. > >>>>> one more thing. in response to your question as to whether or not a mac > >>>>> is more stable than a windows computer. remember earlier when i said >>>>> that when i was still using a windows computer i would have to restart >>>>> the computer several times a day, well with my current mac which is >>>>> 2012 mac book pro with 4 gigabytes of ram i haven't had to restart it >>>>> in about 2 weeks. my mac is on 24 hours a day. during the day when i am > >>>>> working i am actually using it, and at night the mac will just sleep, >>>>> but it hasn't been turned off in at least 2 weeks now and voiceover is >>>>> running flawlessly . > >>>>> i hope that all of this helps you with your decision and if you need >>>>> anything else please just ask. > >>>>> have a great day, > >>>>> scott rumery >>>>> on apr 1, 2014, at 11:44 am, scott duck <scottduck1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>> hi everyone, > >>>>> as i said previously, i am thinking about getting a mac and the main >>>>> reason is that i am tired of the increasing instability of the pc >>>>> environment. my first question is, is this really different on a mac? > >>>>> i am using jaws 15 with windows 8. both are not all that stable. i >>>>> have been a jaws user for 17 years and i have noticed a definite >>>>> progressive increase in instability with the last few releases. jaws >>>>> crashes frequently and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops >>>>> talking when errors occur with other applications. then, there's >>>>> windows 8. i don't mind the windows 8 interface but several times per >>>>> week, i will have a problem that requires me to restart my computer. i > >>>>> did not have that nearly as much with windows 7. also, it isn't >>>>> unusual for me to install a program which will, either directly or >>>>> through add ins, make windows and/or jaws more unstable. i then have >>>>> to decide rather the additional functionality is worth the increased >>>>> instability. i'm just tired of all the crashes and reboots and having >>>>> to use three or four screen readers because i have to run one when >>>>> another one crashes. > >>>>> by contrast, my iphone and ipad, while not perfect, are certainly more >>>>> stable. voiceover seldom just stops working. of course, every single >>>>> app is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any >>>>> problems with an app are almost always confined only to that app. when > >>>>> an app crashes, it usually does not also cause voiceover or the device >>>>> to crash. is this also true of the mac? 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