I just want to correct the person that said there are only a few games on the Mac. There are a lot of games to play on here. I like to play RS Games and the Playroom on here with its web client.
Shawn Sent From My White MacBook -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:54 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Stability of the Mac I don't use muds, so that's not an issue for me, though I know this is important to some people. I think someone was developing a mac client called imud, but not sure what happened to it. Original message: > Hmm, everything? Have you found a MUD client of the likes of Mush-z, > that is free? Also, there are very few games for the blind on mac, > although I must honestly say I don't play many games on Windows anyway, lol. > Sent from my iPod >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 23:31, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >> Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without >> sighted help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone >> offered me a windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks. >> the mac does everything I need, and does it better than windows. >>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote: >>> All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows >>> with a screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of >>> control. I am very rarely left in the middle of doing something without >>> speech whereas on Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence. I >>> feel much more in control on my Mac. >>> Andrew >>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from >>>> the windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and >>>> so had to believe in something that provided me with my bread and >>>> butter, and of course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any >>>> windows system with great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, >>>> although it is better in versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing >>>> issues than Mac. Some of it, probably most of it, is due to the fact >>>> the the screen reading software is separate from the os. this has >>>> always caused instability and i don't see that changing any time soon. >>>> When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and >>>> Mobile speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the >>>> iOS. I, and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes >>>> and lock-ups and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of >>>> times even in a day. >>>> I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to >>>> give them up. >>>> . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of >>>> view, i have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a >>>> windows laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk. >>>> i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how >>>> voiceover works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very >>>> different on the mac or os side. >>>> speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the >>>> first week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has >>>> my mbp slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? >>>> yes, but it's come back to its original performance soon after these fits. >>>> my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in >>>> general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really >>>> bad about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i >>>> maintain my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ... >>>> the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you >>>> continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the >>>> whole concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still >>>> am not fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step >>>> to access some things using voice over. once you get used to it though >>>> and combine quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list >>>> a ton of stupid questions, :) you'll be fine. >>>> i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's >>>> fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some >>>> time and be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all >>>> instructions, podcasts and other things about switching, commands and apps. >>>> jenine stanley >>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com >>>> on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery <blindfait...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> hello scott, >>>> you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you >>>> will have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having >>>> said this let me first tell you that ever since i switched to using a >>>> mac more than 3 years ago i have become probably one of the biggest >>>> apple fan boys that there is, so my thoughts on this subject are going >>>> to have a strong apple bias to them. >>>> if you are wanting a computing environment that is very stable >>>> compared to what you are currently getting on the windows platform >>>> then in my opinion you would be very happy with a mac. >>>> the instability of my windows computer is exactly what helped me to >>>> make the decision to make the switch over 3 years ago. >>>> i used to have to restart my windows computer several times a day and >>>> now that i am on a mac i hardly ever need to reboot. >>>> you will notice that i said "hardly." i have had to restart my mac once >>>> in a while due to lost speech or something, but as i stated with the >>>> use the word hardly this does not happen with any regularity. >>>> now having said all of this let me give you a little word of caution >>>> about switching platforms. i teach blind people who make this switch >>>> how to use their macs for a company called fedora outlier, llc and one >>>> the biggest mistakes that people make is thinking that switching from a >>>> windows computer over to a mac computer is going to be easy. >>>> it isn't as easy as one might think. after all you are going to have to >>>> learn how to use a totally different operating system and a new and >>>> different screen reader. >>>> now having said this if you are determined to learn the new platform >>>> and you do it correctly by this i mean that you don't try and learn >>>> everything in one day you can definitely learn how to use a mac very quickly. >>>> one more thing. in response to your question as to whether or not a mac >>>> is more stable than a windows computer. remember earlier when i said >>>> that when i was still using a windows computer i would have to restart >>>> the computer several times a day, well with my current mac which is >>>> 2012 mac book pro with 4 gigabytes of ram i haven't had to restart it >>>> in about 2 weeks. my mac is on 24 hours a day. during the day when i am >>>> working i am actually using it, and at night the mac will just sleep, >>>> but it hasn't been turned off in at least 2 weeks now and voiceover is >>>> running flawlessly . >>>> i hope that all of this helps you with your decision and if you need >>>> anything else please just ask. >>>> have a great day, >>>> scott rumery >>>> on apr 1, 2014, at 11:44 am, scott duck <scottduck1...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> hi everyone, >>>> as i said previously, i am thinking about getting a mac and the main >>>> reason is that i am tired of the increasing instability of the pc >>>> environment. my first question is, is this really different on a mac? >>>> i am using jaws 15 with windows 8. both are not all that stable. i >>>> have been a jaws user for 17 years and i have noticed a definite >>>> progressive increase in instability with the last few releases. jaws >>>> crashes frequently and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops >>>> talking when errors occur with other applications. then, there's >>>> windows 8. i don't mind the windows 8 interface but several times per >>>> week, i will have a problem that requires me to restart my computer. i >>>> did not have that nearly as much with windows 7. also, it isn't >>>> unusual for me to install a program which will, either directly or >>>> through add ins, make windows and/or jaws more unstable. i then have >>>> to decide rather the additional functionality is worth the increased >>>> instability. i'm just tired of all the crashes and reboots and having >>>> to use three or four screen readers because i have to run one when >>>> another one crashes. >>>> by contrast, my iphone and ipad, while not perfect, are certainly more >>>> stable. voiceover seldom just stops working. of course, every single >>>> app is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any >>>> problems with an app are almost always confined only to that app. when >>>> an app crashes, it usually does not also cause voiceover or the device >>>> to crash. is this also true of the mac? >>>> i have certainly used technology enough to know that none of it is >>>> perfect. however, i would like something that is better than the pc, >>>> when it comes to stability. over all, in your experience, is the mac >>>> more stable? >>>> thanks, >>>> scott duck >>>> -- >>>> you received this message because 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