With the second generation Victor Stream, the default file type for notes is
MP3.  There is no longer that weird file type.  If you still have the first
generation of the Stream, then, if you purchase a license for the SoftPak,
then you can choose MP3 as the file type for your notes.  Therefore, in both
of those cases, there is no longer the need for the Humanware companion.

Myrna



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 12:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Stability of the Mac

Humanware should have developed a tool for the mac, or, better yet, it
should have used mp3 in the first place instead of a nonstandard format.
On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:40 PM, Kerri <shalo...@shaw.ca> wrote:

> the only thing I wish the mac would do--and this is no fault of the
mac--is have the ability to convert the notes from a victor reader stream so
I don't have to use humanWare companion.
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without
sighted help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone offered
me a windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks. the mac does
everything I need, and does it better than windows.
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows with
a screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of control. I am
very rarely left in the middle of doing something without speech whereas on
Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence.  I feel much more in
control on my Mac.  
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from
the windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and so
had to believe in something that provided me with my bread and butter, and
of course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any windows system with
great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, although it is better in
versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing issues than Mac. Some of it,
probably most of it, is due to the fact the the screen reading software is
separate from the os. this has always caused instability and i don't see
that changing any time soon.
>>>> 
>>>> When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and
Mobile speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the iOS.
I, and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes and lock-ups
and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of times even in a
day.
>>>> 
>>>> I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to
give them up.
>>>> 
>>>> . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of
view, i have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a
windows laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk. 
>>>> 
>>>> i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how
voiceover works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very
different on the mac or os side. 
>>>> 
>>>> speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the
first week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has my
mbp slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? yes, but
it's come back to its original performance soon after these fits. 
>>>> 
>>>> my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in
general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really bad
about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i maintain
my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ... 
>>>> 
>>>> the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you
continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the whole
concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still am not
fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step to access
some things using voice over. once you get used to it though and combine
quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list a ton of stupid
questions, :) you'll be fine. 
>>>> 
>>>> i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's
fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some time and
be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all instructions,
podcasts and other things about switching, commands and apps. 
>>>> jenine stanley
>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery <blindfait...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hello scott,
>>>> 
>>>> you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you
will have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having said
this let me first tell you that ever since i switched to using a mac more
than 3 years ago i have become probably one of the biggest apple fan boys
that there is, so my thoughts on this subject are going to have a strong
apple bias to them.
>>>> 
>>>> if you are wanting a computing environment  that is very stable
compared  to what you are currently getting on the windows platform then in
my opinion you would be very happy with a mac.
>>>> 
>>>> the instability of my windows computer is exactly what helped me to
make the decision to make the switch over 3 years ago.
>>>> 
>>>> i used to have to restart my windows computer several times a day and
now that i am on a mac i hardly ever need to reboot.
>>>> 
>>>> you will notice that i said "hardly." i have had to restart my mac once
in a while due to lost speech or something, but as i stated with the use the
word hardly this does not happen with any regularity.
>>>> 
>>>> now having said all of this let me give you a little word of caution
about switching platforms. i teach blind people who make this switch how to
use their macs for a company called fedora outlier, llc and one the biggest
mistakes that people make is thinking that switching from a windows computer
over to a mac computer is going to be easy.
>>>> 
>>>> it isn't as easy as one might think. after all you are going to have to
learn how to use a totally different operating system and a new and
different screen reader.
>>>> 
>>>> now having said this if you are determined to learn the new platform
and you do it correctly by this i mean that you don't try and learn
everything in one day you can definitely  learn how to use a mac very
quickly.
>>>> 
>>>> one more thing. in response to your question as to whether or not a mac
is more stable than a windows computer. remember earlier when i said that
when i was still using a windows computer i would have to restart the
computer several times a day, well with my current mac which is 2012 mac
book pro with 4 gigabytes of ram i haven't had to restart it in about 2
weeks. my mac is on 24 hours a day. during the day when i am working i am
actually using it, and at night the mac will just sleep, but it hasn't been
turned off in at least 2 weeks now and voiceover is running flawlessly .
>>>> 
>>>> i hope that all of this helps you with your decision and if you need
anything else please just ask.
>>>> 
>>>> have a great day,
>>>> 
>>>> scott rumery
>>>> on apr 1, 2014, at 11:44 am, scott duck <scottduck1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> as i said previously, i am thinking about getting a mac and the main
reason is that i am tired of the increasing instability of the pc
environment.  my first question is, is this really different on a mac?
>>>> 
>>>> i am using jaws 15 with windows 8.  both are not all that stable.  i
have been a jaws user for 17 years and i have noticed a definite progressive
increase in instability with the last few releases.  jaws crashes frequently
and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops talking when errors occur with
other applications.  then, there's windows 8.  i don't mind the windows 8
interface but several times per week, i will have a problem that requires me
to restart my computer.  i did not have that nearly as much with windows 7.
also, it isn't unusual for me to install a program which will, either
directly or through add ins, make windows and/or jaws more unstable.  i then
have to decide rather the additional functionality is worth the increased
instability.  i'm just tired of all the crashes and reboots and having to
use three or four screen readers because i have to run one when another one
crashes.
>>>> 
>>>> by contrast, my iphone and ipad, while not perfect, are certainly more
stable.  voiceover seldom just stops working.  of course, every single app
is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any problems with
an app are almost always confined only to that app.  when an app crashes, it
usually does not also cause voiceover or the device to crash.  is this also
true of the mac?
>>>> 
>>>> i have certainly used technology enough to know that none of it is
perfect.  however, i would like something that is better than the pc, when
it comes to stability.  over all, in your experience, is the mac more
stable?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks,
>>>> scott duck
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