You got that right. Now mind you, I can record notes via the iPhone and I do but the stream is still easier save for that issue.
On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:50 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: > Humanware should have developed a tool for the mac, or, better yet, it should > have used mp3 in the first place instead of a nonstandard format. > On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:40 PM, Kerri <shalo...@shaw.ca> wrote: > >> the only thing I wish the mac would do--and this is no fault of the mac--is >> have the ability to convert the notes from a victor reader stream so I don't >> have to use humanWare companion. >> >> >> >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >> >>> Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without >>> sighted help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone >>> offered me a windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks. the >>> mac does everything I need, and does it better than windows. >>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows with a >>>> screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of control. I am >>>> very rarely left in the middle of doing something without speech whereas >>>> on Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence. I feel much more in >>>> control on my Mac. >>>> >>>> Andrew >>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from the >>>>> windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and so had >>>>> to believe in something that provided me with my bread and butter, and of >>>>> course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any windows system with >>>>> great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, although it is better in >>>>> versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing issues than Mac. Some of it, >>>>> probably most of it, is due to the fact the the screen reading software >>>>> is separate from the os. this has always caused instability and i don't >>>>> see that changing any time soon. >>>>> >>>>> When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and Mobile >>>>> speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the iOS. I, >>>>> and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes and lock-ups >>>>> and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of times even in a >>>>> day. >>>>> >>>>> I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to >>>>> give them up. >>>>> >>>>> . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of view, >>>>> i have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a windows >>>>> laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk. >>>>> >>>>> i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how >>>>> voiceover works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very >>>>> different on the mac or os side. >>>>> >>>>> speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the >>>>> first week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has my >>>>> mbp slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? yes, >>>>> but it's come back to its original performance soon after these fits. >>>>> >>>>> my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in >>>>> general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really bad >>>>> about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i >>>>> maintain my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ... >>>>> >>>>> the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you >>>>> continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the whole >>>>> concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still am not >>>>> fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step to >>>>> access some things using voice over. once you get used to it though and >>>>> combine quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list a ton >>>>> of stupid questions, :) you'll be fine. >>>>> >>>>> i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's >>>>> fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some time >>>>> and be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all >>>>> instructions, podcasts and other things about switching, commands and >>>>> apps. >>>>> jenine stanley >>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery <blindfait...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> hello scott, >>>>> >>>>> you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you will >>>>> have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having said >>>>> this let me first tell you that ever since i switched to using a mac more >>>>> than 3 years ago i have become probably one of the biggest apple fan boys >>>>> that there is, so my thoughts on this subject are going to have a strong >>>>> apple bias to them. >>>>> >>>>> if you are wanting a computing environment that is very stable compared >>>>> to what you are currently getting on the windows platform then in my >>>>> opinion you would be very happy with a mac. >>>>> >>>>> the instability of my windows computer is exactly what helped me to make >>>>> the decision to make the switch over 3 years ago. >>>>> >>>>> i used to have to restart my windows computer several times a day and now >>>>> that i am on a mac i hardly ever need to reboot. >>>>> >>>>> you will notice that i said "hardly." i have had to restart my mac once >>>>> in a while due to lost speech or something, but as i stated with the use >>>>> the word hardly this does not happen with any regularity. >>>>> >>>>> now having said all of this let me give you a little word of caution >>>>> about switching platforms. i teach blind people who make this switch how >>>>> to use their macs for a company called fedora outlier, llc and one the >>>>> biggest mistakes that people make is thinking that switching from a >>>>> windows computer over to a mac computer is going to be easy. >>>>> >>>>> it isn't as easy as one might think. after all you are going to have to >>>>> learn how to use a totally different operating system and a new and >>>>> different screen reader. >>>>> >>>>> now having said this if you are determined to learn the new platform and >>>>> you do it correctly by this i mean that you don't try and learn >>>>> everything in one day you can definitely learn how to use a mac very >>>>> quickly. >>>>> >>>>> one more thing. in response to your question as to whether or not a mac >>>>> is more stable than a windows computer. remember earlier when i said that >>>>> when i was still using a windows computer i would have to restart the >>>>> computer several times a day, well with my current mac which is 2012 mac >>>>> book pro with 4 gigabytes of ram i haven't had to restart it in about 2 >>>>> weeks. my mac is on 24 hours a day. during the day when i am working i am >>>>> actually using it, and at night the mac will just sleep, but it hasn't >>>>> been turned off in at least 2 weeks now and voiceover is running >>>>> flawlessly . >>>>> >>>>> i hope that all of this helps you with your decision and if you need >>>>> anything else please just ask. >>>>> >>>>> have a great day, >>>>> >>>>> scott rumery >>>>> on apr 1, 2014, at 11:44 am, scott duck <scottduck1...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> as i said previously, i am thinking about getting a mac and the main >>>>> reason is that i am tired of the increasing instability of the pc >>>>> environment. my first question is, is this really different on a mac? >>>>> >>>>> i am using jaws 15 with windows 8. both are not all that stable. i have >>>>> been a jaws user for 17 years and i have noticed a definite progressive >>>>> increase in instability with the last few releases. jaws crashes >>>>> frequently and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops talking when >>>>> errors occur with other applications. then, there's windows 8. i don't >>>>> mind the windows 8 interface but several times per week, i will have a >>>>> problem that requires me to restart my computer. i did not have that >>>>> nearly as much with windows 7. also, it isn't unusual for me to install >>>>> a program which will, either directly or through add ins, make windows >>>>> and/or jaws more unstable. i then have to decide rather the additional >>>>> functionality is worth the increased instability. i'm just tired of all >>>>> the crashes and reboots and having to use three or four screen readers >>>>> because i have to run one when another one crashes. >>>>> >>>>> by contrast, my iphone and ipad, while not perfect, are certainly more >>>>> stable. voiceover seldom just stops working. of course, every single >>>>> app is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any problems >>>>> with an app are almost always confined only to that app. when an app >>>>> crashes, it usually does not also cause voiceover or the device to crash. >>>>> is this also true of the mac? 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