Hi Hank, This, my good man, is precisely the problem. To the best of my knowledge there isn't anything else accessible enough to survive musically speaking. There are folks getting by with Logic and I'm hoping to get my hands on a copy soon to find out what that's like, but even the most optomistic of those folks have described it as getting by once I start asking questions about how much of their workflow relies on a control surface and how much is truely access.
Unless anyone else can suggest an alternative for ya, my advice would be to nuckle down and really get to grips with Garage Band. For loop-based and midi stuff, it can be a lot more powerful than you'd be lead to believe by the way it's marketted. Haven't done it myself because there's no way I could survive tracking full bands in GB, but I've heard some killer remixes and awesome originals that have been made exclusively with it. Good luck Scott On 8/4/09, hank smith <hanksmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello I am changing the subject so the orriginal thread doesn't get > off topic > but the mention of garage band braught to mind another question I have > been wanting to ask for quite a while > what can i use to replace garage band? > I am in to music looping, remixing tunes with loops and also making my > own stuff with loops > Îany suggestions > On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > >> >> And for the most part Scott I'm With ya. The two things I can't >> defend Apple over though, are when products like Garage band 09 come >> out and take a backward step in accessibility, or when products that >> have been launched way after VO such as mobile me aren't totally >> accessible. If anyone can appease me I'd love to be appeased, or >> perhaps if you've got a ton of more technical knowledge and can break >> it down into dumby speak I'd love to be tought. At the moment the >> best I can come up with is that access isn't nearly as easy for >> developers as it's made out to be or surely it'd be there. Either >> that or Apple are employing coders who don't follow their own >> guidelines. Who knows, either way it really gets my goat when it >> happens. >> >> On 8/4/09, Scott Howell <s.how...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> Although I'm disappointed as well, I am sure they will follow-through >>> on getting it done. I think the more noise, the more likely >>> attention >>> will be given to the issue. At the same time, lets not throw out the >>> baby with the bath water. Apple may not have accomplished all we >>> want >>> today, but quite honestly, they have made a good start and have >>> done a >>> great deal. What exactly drives the determination as to which >>> products get accessibility attention first is probably more a fair >>> question. In other words, it seems a a little hit or miss, but could >>> be driven by schedule, resources, etc. Oh and no this does not give >>> Apple an excuse or let them off the hook, I'm just saying. >>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:13 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> At the risk of coming across as slightly standoff-ish, does anybody >>>> else think that this situation and reply is a bit of a sham? There >>>> wasn't even a mention of iWeb, and both products have been updated >>>> recently enough for improvements to be made surely. It's not like >>>> these are old smalltime products on a dusty old shelf somewhere with >>>> no development time being put into them, Apple markets the hell >>>> out of >>>> these and makes them into big selling points to buy their hardware >>>> and >>>> make the switch. It's like "knock knock, who's there, oh it's >>>> just a >>>> third party developer who doesn't see the need to do anything about >>>> access because even Apple themselves don't bother with it that >>>> much in >>>> their flagship products". >>>> >>>> Yes it's ranty, no it's not polite and probably it's not productive, >>>> but frankly neither am I anywhere near as productive as I should >>>> be by >>>> now in Mac OS, and Apple not practicing what they preach is >>>> becoming a >>>> key reason for that. >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 8/4/09, Marie Howarth <marie.jane2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I thought you guys might be interested in this response I got from >>>>> apple. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>>> From: Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com> >>>>>> Date: August 4, 2009 6:09:13 AM BST >>>>>> To: Marie Howarth <marie.jane2...@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: mobile me and Iweb >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Marie: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for your interest in MobileMe. As you noted, some >>>>>> aspects >>>>>> work well with VoiceOver and others need improvement. Because of >>>>>> this, Apple is not recommending it for VO users even though some >>>>>> features may work well. We are working to enhance MobileMe but do >>>>>> not have a schedule or date we can offer. When this situation >>>>>> changes, we will be sure to note it on the Apple accessibility web >>>>>> page. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 2, 2009, at 7:09 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I was just wondering as I am using voice over and a trial of >>>>>>> mobile >>>>>>> me if there were going to be huge accessibility changes in that >>>>>>> particular area soon? I have successfully kept my iphone and mac >>>>>>> synced with mobile me and have started to use the idisc >>>>>>> feature. I >>>>>>> would love to pay for a yearly subscription but am a little >>>>>>> uncertain whether to do this at this present moment with so many >>>>>>> things reading as images on the website and certain features >>>>>>> unavailable purely due to an accessibility issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, Iweb would be a great tool for me as I manage several >>>>>>> websites. Are there any ways I can use this application at all? >>>>>>> Looking at it, it seems like it is not possible to do a lot of >>>>>>> things here at the present moment. >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> Marie >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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