Hi Esther, I have started an English iTunes via the terminal and voila... VO can read the playlist tables in the settings area. Syncing the iPod with German menu still works so I'm quiet happy to have a workaround for my problem. I will write a mail to Apple now, perhaps it is fixed in one of the next iTunes versions.
Thanks for your help! Have a nice sunday, Pierre ----- Original Message ----- From: Esther To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:11 AM Subject: Re: Broken settings area for Nano 4G in German iTunes Hi Pierre, I'm replying to you directly as well as to the list in case you are reading the list in digest format once a day. Based on your reply, I did an experiment of forcing iTunes to open on my account with a German localization and attaching my iPod Nano 4G. You're correct that it is VoiceOver's interaction with the German localization that is responsible for your problems. When I navigate to the tabs for Music, Podcasts, and Contacts and select any of these, and then try to read the information on these tabs with VoiceOver, the focus is not going to the correct entries and information. (I don't actually have "Contacts" sync enabled for my Nano, but I can read the contents of the tab with VoiceOver under U.S. English localization.) This suggests that repairing permissions or checking in a test user account will not lead to a solution for your problem. (Occasionally repairing permissions, particularly before a major operating system software update, is still a good thing to do, especially if you use any third-party software. Be warned that this takes a while -- about 10 minutes on my MacBook under Leopard, and possibly longer if you have a large and full disk to check or if this is the first time you've ever run this. It can also be useful to create a test user account.) What I'd suggest is that you open iTunes with an English localization for the occasions when you want to connect your iPod Nano 4G and read the music or podcasts tables and other tab information for the sync settings. There are two ways that you can make the an application open in a different language localization from the default selection for your user account. A simple way to do this is to do a "Get Info" with Command-I for an application and examine/set the entries under the languages disclosure triangle to a specific language. If your account has administrative privileges (the default for accounts created when you first boot up a Mac, I think, then you'll be able to modify this through the GUI. With iTunes closed, locate the app in Finder: 1. From Finder use the Command-Shift-A keyboard shortcut to navigate to the Applications Directory. 2. Quickly type "i t" to navigate to the iTunes app 3. Use Command-I to launch a "Get Info" window. 4. In the iTunes info window use item chooser menu (Command-I) and quickly type "l a n" to find the "Languages disclosure triangle". (This item might have a different name in German; modify what you type to locate the appropriate entry, or instead of using the item chooser menu press tab until you read the languages disclosure triangle.) Use VO-space to open this. VO-down arrow into the table and read the selections, which will list the supported language localizations in alphabetical order. Initially your list will include all language localizations supported for your operating system, with the box beside each entry checked. iTunes can open on your system under any of the checked language localizations. You can uncheck any of these entries, unless your account has restricted file-access privileges. In this case, when you read the table entries you'll also hear the word "dimmed", and you won't be able to modify this list. iTunes will only be able to open in one of the checked language localizations, even if your default localization is set to one of the other languages. If I uncheck all boxes except for German in the table of language localizations, when I open iTunes it will have to open in German. If you uncheck all language entries in the table under the Languages disclosure triangle except for English, iTunes has to open in English. Table entries will be announced in English, as will the Nano 4G's tabs in the iPod settings scroll area. After unchecking all languages except English in the Languages table of the Get Info window for iTunes, close this window with Command-W. Now check whether the iPod Nano tables under the Music and Podcast tabs are visible when you connect your 4G Nano. The other way to force an application to opne in one of the checked language localizations is to type a command from "Terminal". To use this command-line interface, first make sure that you've quit the iTunes app, and navigate in Finder to the Utilities menu (Command-Shift-U), then quickly type "t e r" to go to "Terminal". Open the application with Command-down arrow or Command-O. In your terminal window, type (or paste) the following command to launch iTunes: /Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunes -AppleLanguages '(en)' & The first part is the full path to the iTunes application within its bundle. The "AppleLanguages" preceded by a hyphen is the keyword to specify the language localization. The "(en)" enclosed with single quote marks is the specification for English. The final ampersand spawns this as a background process, and allows you to type other commands from the terminal window. Otherwise, succeeding commands typed in that terminal window will not get executed until you finally quit the iTunes app that you opened. Since my default localization is set to U.S. English, the terminal command that I typed to force iTunes to open with a German localization was: /Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunes -AppleLanguages '(de)' & with "(de)" within single quote marks as the argument for German in place of the "(en)" for English, or "(fr)" for French, etc. (In all examples in this post, omit the double quotation marks that I use to enclose each argument.) The command line to open iTunes with English localization from a Terminal window should work, even if the account you're using does not have administrator privileges and you cannot uncheck the Language localization checkbox options under the Languages disclosure triangle in the "Get Info" window that you open with Command-I after selecting (but not opening) iTunes in Finder. You can copy the line and paste it into the Terminal window and then press return. If you are able to read all the entries on the music tab and table of playlists when your Nano is connected to iTunes launched with an English localization, I would send an email report to: accessibil...@apple.com They may be able to suggest a fix, or at least a more convenient work-around for your issue. Will Lomas is on the list and has the German and French Infovox iVox voices, and also has a Nano 4G. I'd guess that he uses an account with German localization only for translation purposes, but he could launch iTunes to test whether he sees the same problem you've had. It's not present with VoiceOver for the French localization. I don't know which other language localizations might have similar problems with the Nano menus under VoiceOver. Also, if you're interested in reading a little more about language localization on the Mac, you can read my archived post to this group: http://www.mail-archive.com/disc...@macvisionaries.com/msg39257.html (Using other language localizations on the Mac) Hope this helps. Cheers, Esther On Mar 21, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Pierre Heim wrote: Hi Esther, thank you for your extensive answer. So here is some more information about my setup: I got the iPod in November last year and let my wife set the language to German. I created some playlists with music which should be synchronized to the iPod. For this I wanted to set the mode to sync only playlists which are checked in the settings area (I knew this option from the manual). The tabs look like I have described: with VO only the general settings were spooken correctly, the other tabs all have the check boxes for syncing programs. The iTunes version was 8.0.1. My wife said that the settings were shown correctly so she made the changes for me with the mouse. I hoped that following updates of iTunes or Mac OS X will solve this problem but nothing has changed until today (I also have had installed iTunes 8.0.2 and currently 8.1). The spoken menus of the iPod and the other iTunes features work normally. There is no problem to sync the iPod (all songs are transfered and the corresponding menu entries are generated), it's only the accessibility of the settings area. I have checked "Sync only checked songs and videos" on the Summary page but the checkboxes/radioboxes for "Sync music" and "Sync selected playlists" could not be seen by VO (only the "sync programs"/"sync all programs" checkboxes with German translation). The other GUI elements you told don't exist for me but they are visible for a seeing person. I also have an old iPod shuffle for which the settings are all accessible with VO. Tomorrow I will try to check the error with a new test user and repairing the permissions and post my progress... Thanks so far, Pierre --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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