Jumping in on the thread, haven't been reading it before: On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 20:21, Helge Hafting wrote: > Argh. > Please _no_ purging shortcut or anything like that, because it > _should not be necessary!_ There's enough "cleaning up" to do already, > polishing sentences, adjusting figures, things like that.
I certainly prefer it when LyX cleans up as I edit. If it's going to be an enforced behaviour, I need to know about it when I edit it *right now*, not after invoking some feature which causes silent modifications potentially everywhere. > Writers should not have to remove unuseable empty paragraphs themselves, > when the computer is perfectly capable of doing it for them. Cleaning well it does that now as soon as you leave the empty paragraph, but I agree that I should be able to move away and do a copy before pasting into the blank paragraph.. for example, with two Standard environments and a lyx-code in-between, I want to paste in some code. I *must* paste into lyx-code, not standard, to preserve formatting. but as soon as I wander off the lyx-code paragraph is gone and I have to make it again. > up code is usually good, except when making the code smaller and simpler > by removing good features. > > The current (1.3.0) behaviour isn't bad at all. (Perhaps some code is, > but a cleanup isn't really supposed to change behaviour.) > > I can see the point of having a temporary empty paragraph for pasting > something though. How about allowing only one of those? I.e. lyx use > some variable to keep track of where _the_ empty paragraph is, and > if another one is created the old one is deleted silently. I agree with that behaviour in principle, but I still like the way empty garbage disappears immediately. How about the ability to spawn a second cursor for the purpose of looking for source data to copy? then you recall your old location, magically jumping to where you were pasting. maybe call it a delayed paste? you have your regular copy and paste, plus a new "delayed paste" which marks this spot as where the next copy is going to end up. so you reverse the order of copy paste, and when the operation is complete you are sent to where you just inserted the data, as if you had fumbled around for the source data and then back to the destination to do a paste. > I haven't given this idea much thought, perhaps it has its flaws too. > But allowing the writers to create a lot of "nonexistant" formatting > will be disaster. Irritating for those who understand, total confusion > for those that think it is ok to misuse the return/enter key. A change > in background color won't tell them it won't work. I agree.. it should keep the newbie's view of LyX the same to avoid confusion. immediate reaction to a wrong move is the most intuitive way of editing > I've had people ask me why enter don't work when they tried to format a > greeting card this way. Making a new layout for that sort of thing is > both hard and little use for a one-off thing. So I told her to use > ctrl+enter for that. Getting space and then have it disappear again on > the printer is just confusing. yeah well they need to read the manual ;) the LyX manual is actually helpful IMHO... > Helge Hafting Have fun, Darren
