I am preparing a LyX document with all the features listed in our GSOC 2014 page. I will transfer it to ODF with tex4ht, possibly fix it manually, and then will circulate it on list for ODF/Docx tests.
Here is what I am including: sections, headers, ... lists emphasis, bold, ... comments track changes tables and figures footnotes bibliographic references math cross-references tracked changes It will have one section per item, do we can focus the tests on one feature at a time, and perhaps split the document in mini-docs an have a series of unit tests of sorts. Question: 1. Is the list comprehensive enough? Too comprehensive? 2. For the Math: anyone having favorite equations / math constructs that represent a sort of "baseline" case that would be desired and other cases that would be the "optimum". I am thinking of the complicated things I sometimes here you guys discussing on the list and which I never use S. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Richard Heck <rgh...@lyx.org> wrote: > It looks to me as if ODT <--> docx is OK via Libre Office. And if it's > editors of journals, etc, then one way is good enough, no? > > R > > On Feb 25, 2014 4:15 AM, "Rainer M Krug" <rai...@krugs.de> wrote: >> >> Wilfried <wh...@gmx.de> writes: >> >> > Rainer M Krug wrote: >> > >> >> Wilfried <wh...@gmx.de> writes: >> >> >> >> > stefano franchi wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Rainer M Krug <rai...@krugs.de> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > stefano franchi <stefano.fran...@gmail.com> writes: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2. Whether to target Microsoft's Word XML format or the Open >> >> >> >> Document >> >> >> >> Format (similarly XML-based) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I would strongly argue for the Microsoft Word XML, as each >> >> >> > conversion >> >> >> > creates problems and inconsistencies. This said, if the conversion >> >> >> > from >> >> >> > MS Word XML to ODF and back can be done without causing problems >> >> >> > in the >> >> >> > roundtrip (i.e. the round-trip would then be lyx - ODF XML - MS >> >> >> > XML - >> >> >> > ODF XML - lyx)I would argue for the more "open" format which can >> >> >> > be used >> >> >> > on more Operating systems. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I have been told that, in its most recent versions, Microsoft Word >> >> >> can >> >> >> read ODF version >= 1.2 directly. That is, it can open, >> >> >> edit, and save files in OpenOffice's native format. I have no means >> >> >> of >> >> >> checking this assertion, as I have no access to MS Word. >> >> >> Could anyone with such access give it a try? >> >> > >> >> > In principle, this is true. >> >> > However OO (I tested with Apache OO 4.01) cannot save in the latest >> >> > Word >> >> > format (.docx), and saveing as MS .xml results in complete loss of >> >> > the >> >> > equations. >> >> >> >> This is not true for Libre Office (4.1.2.3) on ac - I just tried, and a >> >> small formula in LibreOffice, saved as .odt, then saved as .docx >> >> (Microsoft Office 2007/2010 XML) resulted in a docx which could be >> >> opened in Word 2011 and the equation was there. I=t could be edited >> >> and, >> >> when re-opened in LibreOffice, the edits were there. >> >> >> >> > Round trip is best if saving to Word 97/2000/2003 .doc >> >> > format. >> >> >> >> As far as I know, doc is a non documented binary format - so I would >> >> definitely not go there. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Word supports 3 ways to write equations: >> >> > The oldest one is the EQ field function, which is easy to convert but >> >> > rarely used in practice. >> >> > The next is using the Equation Editor (standard for up to Word 2000) >> >> > or >> >> > its mature brother MathType which both create MTEF objects. >> >> > The latest are Word 2007 and up equations (with a different object >> >> > type >> >> > OMML). >> >> > And OpenOffice has its own equation editor which creates another >> >> > object >> >> > type, which cannot be converted to any of Word's equation types, at >> >> > least not by Word nor by MathType (up to 6.7.a - current version is >> >> > 6.9). However, Mathtype can convert to and from MathML and LaTeX. >> >> > The newer Word equation object can only be converted to the older >> >> > object >> >> > type by MathType (AFAIK). >> >> >> >> I can not comment on this. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > An OO document, containing an equation created in OO, saved as MS >> >> > .doc >> >> > (Word 97/2000/2003) and opened in Word 2010 contains the equation but >> >> > this equation is not editable in Word - for editing this equation one >> >> > needs OpenOffice installed. At least after the round trip OO -> .doc >> >> > -> >> >> > Word -> .doc -> OO the equation is still editable in OO. >> >> > And an equation created in Word is not editable in OO. Even worse, if >> >> > one uses the newer (Word 2007 and up) equation format (which is >> >> > default >> >> > if one uses the .docx format), then saves as .doc, the newer >> >> > equations >> >> > are irreversibly converted to pictures. >> >> > >> >> > Hope that makes the problems more clear. >> >> >> >> As I stated above, I could create a document =in Libre office, >> >> including >> >> equation, save it as docx, open it in Word 2011, edit the formula, save >> >> it, open the document in LibreOffice, edits were there, and I could >> >> continue editing there. May be differences between OpenOffice and >> >> LibreOffice? >> > >> > I compared LibreOffice and OpenOffice: >> > >> > Save as .doc yes yes >> > Equation saved as MTEF, editable OOmath, not editable >> > Roundtrip no, stays MTEF remains OOMath >> > MTEF remains MTEF >> > >> > Save as .docx yes no >> > Equation saved as OMML, editable >> > Roundtrip yes, back to OOMath >> > MTEF remains MTEF >> > >> > >> > Abbreviations: >> > OOMath = OpenOffice or LibreOffice Equation >> > MTEF = Microsoft Equation Editor (up to Word 2003) or MathType >> > OMML = Microsoft Equation (Word 2007 and up) >> > >> > So, roundtrip is best with >> > LibreOffice saving as .docx and opening from .docx >> >> Unless we want to stay open, and use odt format, which then can be >> converted to docx using LibreOffice, but as Stefano pointed out, the >> users "on the other side" will most likely be using MS Word, which is >> particularly true for editors of Journals. So unless the conversion odt >> <-> can be done in the background and it is lossless, I would go with >> docx as the target format. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rainer >> >> -- >> Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation >> Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) >> >> Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology >> Stellenbosch University >> South Africa >> >> Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 >> Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 >> Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 >> >> Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 >> >> email: rai...@krugs.de >> >> Skype: RMkrug -- __________________________________________________ Stefano Franchi Associate Research Professor Department of Hispanic Studies Ph: +1 (979) 845-2125 Texas A&M University Fax: +1 (979) 845-6421 College Station, Texas, USA stef...@tamu.edu http://stefano.cleinias.org
