On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 09:29:37PM +1100, [email protected] wrote: > On Tuesday, 11 October 2016 8:14:29 PM AEDT Erik Christiansen via luv-main > wrote: > > (Though I'm not sure that systemd's rapacious appetite for > > monolithic hegemony does a lot more than stultify its own > > development. In any ecological niche, more agile competitors will > > tend to gain ascendancy. I look forward to that, and will do what > > I can to avoid systemd - as I would any unwieldy dinosaur. If that > > involves avoiding gnome, then that's no loss.) > > Did you understand the previous versions of some of the things that > systemd replaces like ConsoleKit? Did you avoid them too?
i'd be happier if consolekit and udev and all the rest were separate from systemd. i don't particularly care that they're worked on by the same team, but they should be worked on as separate projects no matter how closely related they mіght be, or seem to be in their minds. then alternative compatible implementations (or forks) could be drop-in replacements. but the systemd devs' definition of "modular" is "you can turn off some stuff when you compile" so now we're stuck with only what they think is important to work on. i was about to post a sarcastic analogy suggesting that squid and apache should be combined because they're sort of related, just like systemd and udev and consolekit etc are sort of related. but that's actually a good analogy - long ago, we used to have cern httpd, which did both proxying and web serving. it wasn't particularly good at either. cern got replaced by ncsa httpd which got patched into becoming apache (which specialised in web serving, but retained some proxy capability - mostly used for reverse-proxy use-cases), and standalone proxies like squid were developed. we now have dozens (at least) open source web server implementations, and several web proxy implementations. each one filling a particular niche, or experimenting with new ideas. which is the exact opposite of where we're heading with systemd: not a thriving ecosystem, but a sterile monoculture. craig -- craig sanders <[email protected]> _______________________________________________ luv-main mailing list [email protected] https://lists.luv.asn.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luv-main
