On 30.09.2016 13:26, Rick Moen via luv-main wrote:
Quoting [email protected] ([email protected]):
People who have chosen systemd have spent a lot of time making it work
better
and solving some real problems that other init systems have had for
many
years. People who want to choose SysVInit have spent a lot of time
flaming
people who write the code.
I continue to like OpenRC a great deal, as the init system. I'm still
looking around for the most conservatively written, narrowly scoped
PID1
process. (OpenRC doesn't handle being PID1.)
I've written a description of how to (very easily) convert Debian 8
'Jessie' over to OpenRC -- or to runit, sysvinit, or upstart, all of
those available packaged in Debian 8 -- and make that architecture
decision persist. It turned out to be very easy. Actually I wrote
the basic details on this mailing list, in response to a question about
that. Later, I fleshed out the topic for my Web site:
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/openrc-conversion.html
We had a "debate" about the relative merits of the various init
systems on
this list some time ago. It turned out that only one of the people
who were
criticising systemd had actually used it, and that person wasn't
making the
more extreme criticisms.
https://etbe.coker.com.au/2015/04/26/anti-systemd-people/
Both on this mailing list and on your blog, you seem obsessed with, in
effect, calling some set of unnamed but broadly scoped critics names,
e.g., that they're just flamers, misogynistic, homophobic, and driven
by
hostility and hate.
I'm sure you're aware that this variety of rhetoric suffers a rather
serious 'if so, so what?' problem (residing somewhere among the
subvarieties of non-sequitur appeal). But anyway, I generally find it
a
great deal more interesting to discuss technology, than to detail at
length how awful are the tribe on the other side of the figurative
river.
Lots if excellent discusion cut out...............
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Many thanks for an excellent summing up, I was going to put forward a
response but your reply has covered all my points nicely. One thing
though I will say is I was quite disturbed about the level of hostility
in Russel's post. If systemd's supporters need to resort to this level
the obvious conclusion one comes to is systemd cannot be that good.
I have tried and in fact I still have one of my 4 systems running
systemd,now it is Debian 7 32 bit, Debian 8 unfortunately not handling
well some items I need to run (Googlearth mainly, there are others). I
have found this system is NOT reliable inspite of it being almost
identical in hardware to my other main system. Note: all my systems were
quite happy with Debian 6. I have not needed to use my systemd system
much, this will shortly change and I will be re intstalling Debian 7
without systemd and see if the relibailty issue vanishes, as it could of
course be another issue entirely.
Using linux since 1993,
Lindsay
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