hi peter,

Just curious: Do you have an idea how to make short-lived LSPs compatible with 
the problem stated in
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7987

Would like to hear your thoughts on that.

thanks,

/hannes

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 01:15:04PM +0100, Peter Psenak wrote:
| Hi Robert,
| 
| On 30/11/2021 12:40, Robert Raszuk wrote:
| > Hey Peter,
| > 
| >      > #1 - I am not ok with the ephemeral nature of the advertisements. (I
| >      > proposed an alternative).
| > 
| >     LSPs have their age today. One can generate LSP with the lifetime of 1
| >     min. Protocol already allows that.
| > 
| > 
| > That's a pretty clever comparison indeed. I had a feeling it will come
| > up here and here you go :)
| > 
| > But I am afraid this is not comparing apple to apples.
| > 
| > In LSPs or LSA flooding you have a bunch of mechanisms to make sure the
| > information stays fresh
| > and does not time out. And the default refresh in ISIS if I recall was
| > something like 15 minutes ?
| 
| yes, default refresh is 900 for the default lifetime of 1200 sec. Most
| people change both to much larger values.
| 
| If I send the LSP with the lifetime of 1 min, there will never be any
| refresh of it. It will last 1 min and then will be purged and removed from
| the database. The only difference with the Pulse LSP is that it is not
| purged to avoid additional flooding.
| 
| 
| > 
| >     Today in all MPLS networks host routes from all areas are "spread"
| >     everywhere including all P and PE routers, that's how LS protocols
| >     distribute data, we have no other way to do that in LS IGPs.
| > 
| > 
| > Can't you run OSPF over GRE ? For ISIS Henk had proposal not so long ago
| > to run it over TCP too.
| > 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hsmit-lsr-isis-flooding-over-tcp-00
| 
| you can run anything over GRE, including IGPs, and you don't need TCP
| transport for that. I don't see the relevance here. Are you suggesting to
| create GRE tunnels to all PEs that need the pulses? Nah, that would be an
| ugly requirement.
| 
| thanks,
| Peter
| 
| 
| > 
| > Seems like a perfect fit !
| > 
| > Thx,
| > R.
| 

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