Ois, acabei de ver um tweet tão bom sobre isso que achei que eu TENHO que compartilhar ele! Lá vai:
A white woman who hasn’t spoken out against the genocide said “the _saddest_ thing about this is Jewish people are becoming the most hated people globally.” THAT is the _saddest_ thing. Not the murdered & starving Palestinians. Ya’ll really don’t see Palestinians as human. (https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1772362055082737673) Agora na categoria das coisas compridas, pra mim a melhor e mais adequada agora é o "The Lives of Animals", que é um livro curto do J.M. Coetzee, que ganhou o Nobel de Literatura em 2003 - em especial este trecho: "Between 1942 and 1945 several million people were put to death in the concentration camps of the Third Reich: at Treblinka alone more than a million and a half, perhaps as many as three million. These are numbers that numb the mind. We have only one death of our own: we can comprehend the deaths of others only one at a time: in the abstract we may be able to count to a million, but we cannot count to a million deaths. "The people who lived in the countryside around Treblinka -- Poles, for the most part -- said that they did not know what was going on in the camp; said that, while in a general way they might have guessed what was going on, they did not know for sure; said that, while in a sense they might have known, in another sense they did not know, could not afford to know, for their own sake. "The people around Treblinka were not exceptional. There were camps all over the Reich, nearly six thousand in Poland alone, untold thousands in Germany proper.[3] Few Germans lived more than a few kilometres from a camp of some kind. Not every camp was a death camp, a camp dedicated to the production of death, but horrors went on in all of them, more horrors by far than one could afford to know, for one's own sake. "It is not because they waged an expansionist war, and lost it, that Germans of a particular generation are still regarded as standing a little outside humanity, as having to do or be something special before they can be readmitted to the human fold. They lost their humanity, in our eyes, because of a certain willed ignorance on their part. Under the circumstances of Hitler's kind of war, ignorance may have been a useful survival mechanism, but that is an excuse which, with admirable moral rigor, we refuse to accept. In Germany, we say, a certain line was crossed which took people beyond the ordinary murderousness and cruelty of warfare into a state that we can only call sin. The signing of the articles of capitulation and the payment of reparations did not put an end to that state of sin. On the contrary, we said, a sickness of the soul continued to mark that generation. It marked those citizens of the Reich who had committed evil actions, but also those who, for whatever reason, were in ignorance of those actions. It thus marked, for practical purposes, every citizen of the Reich. Only those in the camps were innocent. "`They went like sheep to the slaughter.' `They died like animals.' `The Nazi butchers killed them.' Denunciation of the camps reverberates so fully with the language of the stockyard and slaughterhouse that it is barely necessary for me to prepare the ground for the comparison I am about to make. The crime of the Third Reich, says the voice of accusation, was to treat people like animals. "We -- even we in Australia -- belong to a civilization deeply rooted in Greek and Judaeo-Christian religious thought. We may not, all of us, believe in pollution, we may not believe in sin, but we do believe in their psychic correlates. We accept without question that the psyche (or soul) touched with guilty knowledge cannot be well. We do not accept that people with crimes on their conscience can be healthy and happy. We look (or used to look) askance at Germans of a certain generation because they are, in a sense, polluted; in the very signs of their normality (their healthy appetites, their hearty laughter) we see proof of how deeply seated pollution is in them. "It was and is inconceivable that people who did not know (in that special sense) about the camps can be fully human. In our chosen metaphorics, it was they and not their victims who were the beasts. By treating fellow human beings, beings created in the image of God, like beasts, they had themselves become beasts. [3] Daniel J. Goldhagen, Hitler's Willing Executioners (London: Little, Brown, 1996), p. 171. https://tannerlectures.utah.edu/_resources/documents/a-to-z/c/Coetzee99.pdf#page=7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Animals A personagem que fala isso ^ - Elizabeth Costello - compra brigas enormes, e essas brigas são interessantíssimas. Acho que esse é o livro que eu reli mais vezes até hoje, e eu acho essa idéia de "standing a little outside humanity" - e do quão outside humanity cada um de nós está - incrivelmente fértil. [[]], Eduardo On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 at 19:40, Marcelo Finger <mfin...@ime.usp.br> wrote: > Oi Walter. > > >>> Non sequitur. Ainda que tudo isso fosse verdade, não seria > justificativa para amassar palestinos inocentes só porque sao árabes. > > Sim, não há justificativa para amassar palestinos. Mas o problema é em > quem você põe a culpa. > > Uma coisa é culpar os que são responsáveis pelas ações militares (aka > Governo de Israel, incluindo o 1o ministro e seu gabinete). Outra coisa é > dizer que o Estado (não o governo) de Israel não pode existir. É isso que > é ser antissionista. É dizer que Israel não tem o direito de existir, que > a população judaica deve ir embora "voltar para suas casa". Onde? É uma > crassa declaração antissemita. > > É um raciocínio análogo a: eu não gosto das atitudes do Brasil sob > Bolsonaro (ou Lula, ou FHC, etc) portanto o Brasil deve parar de existir. > Um raciocínio assim é absurdo em relação ao Brasil, por que seria aceitável > em relação a Israel? Por antissemitismo. > > []s > > > > > > > > Em qui., 28 de mar. de 2024 às 20:27, Walter Carnielli < > walte...@unicamp.br> escreveu: > >> Non sequitur. >> Ainda que tudo isso fosse verdade, não seria justificativa para amassar >> palestinos inocentes só porque sao árabes. >> >> De forma análoga, nada justifica amassar franceses no Brasil, porque >> eles invadiram parte do Brasil com intenções colonialistas, ou porque >> praticaram atrocidades contra os argelinos na guerra de independência. >> >> Ninguém tem culpa de nascer francês. 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