On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:32:59PM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 02:24:04PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:14:06PM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > > Implement cmpxchg{,64}_relaxed and atomic{,64}_cmpxchg_relaxed, based on
> > > which _release variants can be built.
> > >
> > > To avoid superfluous barriers in _acquire variants, we implement these
> > > operations with assembly code rather use __atomic_op_acquire() to build
> > > them automatically.
> >
> > The "superfluous barriers" are for the case where the cmpxchg fails, right?
>
> Yes.
>
> > And you don't do the same thing for release, because you want to avoid a
> > barrier in the middle of the critical section?
> >
>
> Mostly because of the comments in include/linux/atomic.h:
>
> * For compound atomics performing both a load and a store, ACQUIRE
> * semantics apply only to the load and RELEASE semantics only to the
> * store portion of the operation. Note that a failed cmpxchg_acquire
> * does -not- imply any memory ordering constraints.
>
> so I thought only the barrier in cmpxchg_acquire() is conditional, and
> the barrier in cmpxchg_release() is not. Maybe we'd better call it out
> that cmpxchg *family* doesn't have any order guarantee if cmp fails, as
> a complement of
>
> ed2de9f74ecb ("locking/Documentation: Clarify failed cmpxchg() memory
> ordering semantics")
>
> Because it seems this commit only claims that the barriers in fully
> ordered version are conditional.
I didn't think this was ambiguous... A failed cmpxchg_release doesn't
perform a store, so because the RELEASE semantics only apply to the
store portion of the operation, it therefore doesn't have any ordering
guarantees. Acquire is called out as a special case because it *does*
actually perform a load on the failure case.
> If cmpxchg_release doesn't have order guarantee when failed, I guess I
> can implement it with a barrier in the middle as you mentioned:
>
> unsigned int prev;
>
> __asm__ __volatile__ (
> "1: lwarx %0,0,%2
> cmpw 0,%0,%3\n\
> bne- 2f\n"
> PPC_RELEASE_BARRIER
> " stwcx. %4,0,%2\n\
> bne- 1b"
> "\n\
> 2:"
> : "=&r" (prev), "+m" (*p)
> : "r" (p), "r" (old), "r" (new)
> : "cc", "memory");
>
> return prev;
>
>
> However, I need to check whether the architecture allows this and any
> other problem exists.
>
> Besides, I don't think it's a good idea to do the "put barrier in the
> middle" thing in this patchset, because that seems a premature
> optimization and if we go further, I guess we can also replace the
> PPC_RELEASE_BARRIER above with a "sync" to implement a fully ordered
> version cmpxchg(). Too much needs to investigate then..
Putting a barrier in the middle of that critical section is probably a
terrible idea, and that's why I thought you were avoiding it (hence my
original question). Perhaps just add a comment to that effect, since I
fear adding more words to memory-barriers.txt is just likely to create
further confusion.
Will
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