On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 08:35:27PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 06/23, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 06:43:21PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > >
> > > should equally work, or ACCESS_ONCE() can't be used to RMW ?
> >
> > It can be, but Linus doesn't like it to be. I recently changed all of
> > the RMW ACCESS_ONCE() calls as a result. One of the reasons for avoiding
> > RMW ACCESS_ONCE() is that language features that might one day replace
> > ACCESS_ONCE() do not support RMW use.
>
> OK, thanks.
>
> > > Or even INIT_LIST_HEAD_RCU(). The comment in list_splice_init_rcu() says:
> > >
> > > /*
> > > * "first" and "last" tracking list, so initialize it. RCU readers
> > > * have access to this list, so we must use INIT_LIST_HEAD_RCU()
> > > * instead of INIT_LIST_HEAD().
> > > */
> > >
> > > INIT_LIST_HEAD_RCU(list);
> > >
> > > but we are going to call synchronize_rcu() or something similar, this
> > > should
> > > act as compiler barrier too?
> >
> > Indeed, synchronize_rcu() enforces a barrier on each CPU between
> > any prior and subsequent accesses to RCU-protected data by that CPU.
> > (Which means that CPUs that would otherwise sleep through the entire
> > grace period can continue sleeping, given that it is not accessing
> > any RCU-protected data while sleeping.) I would guess load-tearing
> > or store-tearing concerns.
>
> But the kernel depends on the fact that "long" should be updated atomically,
> and the concurent reader should see the old-or-new value without any tricks.
>
> Perhaps we should add ACCESS_ONCE_PARANOID_FOR_COMPILER(). Otherwise when
> you read the code it is not always clear why it is uses ACCESS_ONCE(), and
> sometimes this look as if you simply do not understand it. Or at least a
> /* not really needed but gcc can have bugs */ could help in these cases.
I am a bit reluctant to add variants of ACCESS_ONCE(), but perhaps
comments about exactly what the ACCESS_ONCE() is preventing in the more
paranoid cases would be a good thing. My fear is that the comments will
just be copy/pasted with the ACCESS_ONCE wrappers. ;-)
Thanx, Paul
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