* Frederic Weisbecker <fweis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 12:47:01PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> > * Namhyung Kim <namhy...@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:30:46 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > > * Namhyung Kim <namhy...@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Ingo,
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:58:02 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > >> > * Namhyung Kim <namhy...@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > >> >> But the 'cumulative' (btw, I feel a bit hard to type this word..)
> > > >> >> is
> > > >> >> different in that it *generates* entries didn't get sampled
> > > >> >> originally.
> > > >> >> And as it requires callchains, total field will not work if
> > > >> >> callchains
> > > >> >> are missing.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Well, 'total' should disappear if it's not available.
> > > >>
> > > >> But what if it's the only sort key user gave?
> > > >
> > > > Do you mean something like:
> > > >
> > > > -F self,name -s total
> > > >
> > > > i.e. if a sort key not displayed?
> > >
> > > What I worry is when no -F option was given at all.
> >
> > In that case the default list applied, plus whatever new fields are
> > mentioned in -s would also be added (appended or prepended).
> >
> > The display order of columns should _probably_ be something like:
> >
> > key1 key2 ... non-key1 non-key2
> >
> > there's not much point in sorting and then displaying the key not in
> > front, right?
> >
> > > > I think sort keys should be automatically added to the displayed
> > > > fields list.
> > >
> > > Agreed.
> >
> > > > This problem should be solved if all -s fields are displayed - i.e.
> > > > they are added to the -F list, right?
> > >
> > > But old users might not aware of the new -F option, and use -s option
> > > only. If so, she will get output like the first example, right?
> >
> > Well, there's a default -F list that applies - so this shouldn't be a
> > problem, agreed? So output should be like the second (expected) example.
> >
> > > > Basically there's just a single concept: the -F list. The -s option
> > > > simply modifies and extends the -F list but internally perf report
> > > > would not know anything about '-s', it only knows about fields to
> > > > display and it would know which of those fields are to be sorted and
> > > > in what order.
> > > >
> > > > Does that make sense to you? Does it cover everything needed?
> > >
> > > I like the concept. I'm just looking for a way to add it without
> > > upsetting old users. :)
> >
> > If the default -F list matches our current displayed fields list then
> > there should not be much change in behavior (beyond the addition of total
> > for call-graph outputs - which can be kept completely separate).
> >
> > I'm not too worried about call-graph 'legacies': it generates such huge
> > perf.data files which is parsed so slowly at the moment that there's very
> > little user base ... Anyone who absolutely needs call-graph profiling uses
> > SysProf which performs well.
>
> I'm a bit confused by what will be changed with call-graph here. Also
> I've seen perf callgraph reports quite often on emails not even related
> to perf developement. It doesn't appear to me like an irrelevant
> feature...
It's not an irrelevant feature at all! :-)
It's just that for any sort of longer profile it was pretty
difficult/frustrating to use, which I think held back adoption.
That performance problem got fixed now by you and Namhyung, so I think
we'll see even wider adoption of call-graph profiling...
Thanks,
Ingo
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