On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 07:05:41AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote: > > > On 2/19/2021 12:25 AM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 12:16:50PM -0800, Scott Branden wrote: > >> On 2021-02-18 10:36 a.m., Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > >>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 07:20:50PM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: > >>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 06:53:56PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 09:21:13AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote: > >>>>>> As a company, we are most likely shooting ourselves in the foot by not > >>>>>> having a point of coordination with the Linux Foundation and key people > >>>>>> like you, Greg and other participants in the stable kernel. > >>>>> > >>>>> What does the LF have to do with this? > >>>>> > >>>>> We are here, on the mailing lists, working with everyone. Just test the > >>>>> -rc releases we make and let us know if they work or not for you, it's > >>>>> not a lot of "coordination" needed at all. > >>>>> > >>>>> Otherwise, if no one is saying that they are going to need these for 6 > >>>>> years and are willing to use it in their project (i.e. and test it), > >>>>> there's no need for us to maintain it for that long, right? > >>>> > >>>> Greg, please remember I expressed I really need them for slightly more > >>>> than > >>>> 3 years (say 3.5-4) :-) I'm fine with helping a bit more as time permits > >>>> if > >>>> this saves me from having to take over these kernels after you, like in > >>>> the > >>>> past, but I cannot engage on the regularity of my availability. > >>> > >>> Ok, great! > >>> > >>> That's one person/company saying they can help out (along with what CIP > >>> has been stating.) > >>> > >>> What about others? Broadcom started this conversation, odd that they > >>> don't seem to want to help out :) > >> Greg, I'm sorry but I'm not in a position to provide such a commitment. > > > > Ok, who at Broadcom do I need to talk to to get that type of commitment? > > I am not sure if I was too subtle before, we (Broadcom) cannot give you > an unified voice to speak with because we are divided in silos/business > units that make their independent decisions.
That's fine, I'm totally used to that, large (and even small) companies always have different groups with different roadmaps and policies. > The group I work in (STB/CM, different from Scott's) is committed to > using the 5.10 kernel for 6 years and that is a decision that has been > taken. Great! Will you all be testing the -rc releases and letting me know how they work for your systems? > I could give you names of other decision makers in other business units > I know who also deliver Linux for their respective business units > however some of them may not make public appearances on mailing lists, > let alone care about upstreaming their changes so I do not know whether > a 6 years 5.10 kernel is even something they remotely entertain. That's fine, I'm not expecting emails from the list, we can take this off-list if you like as it sounds like I need to talk to some different managers there, right? :) thanks, greg k-h
