Hi Rafael,
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:11 PM Rafael J. Wysocki <raf...@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:39 PM Greg Kroah-Hartman
> <gre...@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 03:50:58PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:53 PM Geert Uytterhoeven
> > > <ge...@linux-m68k.org> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:34 PM Saravana Kannan <sarava...@google.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 4:27 AM Rafael J. Wysocki <raf...@kernel.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 7:52 PM Saravana Kannan
> > > > > > <sarava...@google.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:47 AM Rafael J. Wysocki
> > > > > > > <raf...@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Note that deferred probing gets in the way here and so the
> > > > > > > > problem is
> > > > > > > > related to it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I mean, we officially support deferred probing. Shouldn't we fix
> > > > > > > it so
> > > > > > > that it doesn't break suspend/resume?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, we should fix deferred probing.
> > > >
> > > > Please take into account that breakage is an actual regression.
> > > >
> > > > > > > Also, it's pretty easy to have
> > > > > > > cases where one module probes multiple device instances and
> > > > > > > loading it
> > > > > > > in one order would break dpm_list order for one device and
> > > > > > > loading it
> > > > > > > in another order would break it for another device. And there
> > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > no "proper" order to load modules (because module order != device
> > > > > > > order).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not saying that the current code is perfect. I'm saying that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > fix as proposed adds too much cost for everybody who may not care
> > > > > > IMO.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, how about I don't do this reordering until we see the first
> > > > > deferred probe request? Will that work for you? In that case, systems
> > > > > with no deferred probing will not incur any reordering cost. Or if
> > > > > reordering starts only towards the end, all the previous probes won't
> > > > > incur reordering cost.
> > > >
> > > > That first deferred probe request is more or less as of the first probe,
> > > > since commit 93d2e4322aa74c1a ("of: platform: Batch fwnode parsing when
> > > > adding all top level devices"), at least on DT systems.
> > >
> > > The deferred probe reordering of devices to the end of dpm_list
> > > started in 2012, so it is nothing new, and it demonstrably works for
> > > devices where the dependencies are known to the driver core.
> > >
> > > That said, in the cases when the dependencies are known to the driver
> > > core, it is also unnecessary to reorder dpm_list in
> > > deferred_probe_work_func(), because the right ordering of it is going
> > > to be determined elsewhere.
> > >
> > > Also commit 494fd7b7ad10 ("PM / core: fix deferred probe breaking
> > > suspend resume order") is not the source of the problem here, because
> > > the problem would have still been there without it, due to the
> > > device_pm_move_last() that was there before, so the Fixes: tag
> > > pointing to that commit is misleading.
> > >
> > > Now, because 716a7a259690 ("driver core: fw_devlink: Add support for
> > > batching fwnode parsing") is an optimization and the regression is
> > > present because of it AFAICS, the best way to address it at that point
> > > would be to revert commit 716a7a259690 for 5.8 and maybe do the
> > > optimization more carefully.
> > >
> > > Greg, what do you think?
> >
> > I've been ignoreing this and letting you all sort it out :)
> >
> > But if you think that patch should be reverted, I'll not object and will
> > be glad to to it if this solves the issue.
>
> Well, if Geert can confirm that reverting commit 716a7a259690 makes
> the problem go away, IMO this would be the most reasonable thing to do
> at this stage of the cycle without risking that more regressions will
> be introduced.
>
> Geert?
Reverting commit 716a7a25969003d8 ("driver core: fw_devlink: Add support
for batching fwnode parsing") requires reverting commits
fefcfc968723caf9 ("driver core: Remove check in
driver_deferred_probe_force_trigger()") and 93d2e4322aa74c1a ("of:
platform: Batch fwnode parsing when adding all top level devices"),
too.
While reverting the latter is sufficient to fix the regression for me, I
can confirm that reverting all three fixes the issue, too.
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
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