On Friday 09 March 2007 00:55, guy keren wrote: > sorry for top-posting - but my answer is not related to what you write > here, rather to things i've learned about you via other means.
10x for the input, i appreciate it. > your first problem is quite simple - you went for an M.SC in industrial > engineering, in something that people perceive as "information systems". > when people look for programmers, they have a tendency to prefer > computer science/computer engineering/electrical engineering graduates. > so your degree, in this case, is sometimes a barden. i don't know if and > how you can remedy this. maybe preparing a resume that emphasizes on > your programming knowledge, and on the fact that you're looking for a > programming job, could help. It tried recently to give more emphasis for programming. Perhaps i should make it more understood. You are right, perhaps people do get sidetracked by the other things on the resume and have a bit of a prejudice because of the information systems thing. Btw, just to clarify, information systems is a big field. It involves network algorithms, databases and obviously methodologies, etc... it is not so far from computer science. I think you are right that it is a wide misconception. One thing i am not prepared to do, which someone advised me, and that is to remove diplomas/qualifications etc... since this is not morally right to your employer. I know some does that at the beginning to get started but it is still not right. > your second problem comes from something about what you reflect. as far > as i understood, you have fixed notions of what you want, and that's not > neessarily programming. you talked about system analysis, and about > configuration management, and then about programming. when you're not > focused on the profession you want to work in (and these are 3 quite > different things) - it reflects in the interviews. it passes the message > of instability. i think you should work on deciding about what you want > to do - and focus on it. mind you, not focus about "i want to program > databases". just about "i want to program". if you're too peculiar, at > least in this stage, regarding what you tell people - you'll be in a > problem. I admit that when i just started looking i casted a wide net, unfocused. I started at first to look for the obvious design and analysis but i quickly understood what they mean in the jobs descriptions and that is, for the real industrial engineer profession itself that relates to, well, production lines etc... Which, i know nothing about. Hopefully, what i say next won't overqualify me to some potential employer. I was later offered a very highly (you would never believe how high) payed salary at 3 certain (often competing) gov related companies, which i can't say publicly their names. The jobs were a mix of low level C programming + an arcane configuration management. The problem with that is that after a 3 months wait period for certain procedures to pass thru, divisions closed/reorganized, positions frozen. I can't believe it myself. Anyway, i am not doing this again. Maybe in 10 years like my plans for Phd :). Since then (about 2 months), nothing. I personally do not expect a very high salaries like they offered. I only expect to have a good, challenging and interesting job. I am completely willing to start at the beginning. Basically, i am looking for a job :). As i said above regarding the CV, in recent 2 months i have become very specific in saying out right that i wish to program and nothing else and that is what i say in interviews. > finally, the amount of _linux_ jobs in the north is rather small, > relative to the total amount of jobs. consider compromising on this for > a few years. i was unemployed for two month because i did not want to > compromise - and that was after about 10 years of (formal) work > experience on unix and linux - and living in haifa, like you. I am willing to commute but most companies wants you to relocate. Problem is, i just did in Haifa :) and family depends on me to stay so i can't really relocate again. > by the way, the attitude of "they will have to give me a chance" is not > going to help you - they do not have to give you a chance - they have to > think of what they want and need - they don't care about you. if they > did - hen, as you said, there are 29 other people - they could > randomally pick any one of them to "give a chance to". it doesn't work > this way. Of course, you are completely right. That was said out of a little frustration. I have taken my pills since then ;). 10x again for the input, i think it helped. > > --guy > > Tzahi Fadida wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I contemplated whether to send this email to this list and i usually > > would not be so public about this kind of thing, however, i am a bit at a > > loss and in need of some tips so i hope you'd bear with me. > > I have recently finished my MSc studies and wanted to find a linux > > related job. Not necessarily kernel hacking/device drivers though this is > > what most attracts. I can say without a doubt that it is difficult to > > convince potential employers of your capabilities without a proven > > working experience. It is the old chicken and the egg problem. I would > > have thought that 3 separate degrees and my 2 years experience with > > PostgreSQL internals would have some leverage, however, i came to believe > > that this is a myth. Usually it goes like this, i get 2-3 professional > > interviews and then get a negative answer. I get the feeling these big > > companies i go to, just fill their interview quotas and in the end takes > > people with the most working experience. Especially in the north, where > > there are something like 30 people contending per job. > > Can someone throw some tips as to how i should proceed? > > 10x. > > > > P.s.: As to some who would have paranoid thoughts that this is self > > advertising, let me assure you that you are only partly correct, but > > there is no other way to ask the question. So i apologize in advance for > > that part. -- Regards, Tzahi. -- Tzahi Fadida Blog: http://tzahi.blogsite.org | Home Site: http://tzahi.webhop.info WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html ================================================================To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
