I have recently upgraded my cell phone to a Motorola C350, a GPRS based phone, which rose the need to use the Orange Web Site. Up until now I used the nifty SendSMS script (By Nadav and others) and saw no need to access a Mirosoftia-only based Web site. Nothing for me over there.
Now I disover the have a portal for the GPRS handsets and I cannot access it from my Linux box. I called the service (both regular and data) and all I got was the same shlomi did - "We don't care! Screw you!". Whatsmore - on most of the calls I make to the service (*054) I get reffered to their Web site. When I tell them I can't access it because I don't have Windows (such an option does not register) they tell me to go to a friend's house and use his computer !!! I think these e-mails aren't what we need, we have to go public. Some article on YNet or Captain Internet might stir the put a bit... Any of you with the right connections? Thanks, Amichai Rotman. On Monday 03 November 2003 22:35, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi all! > > Attached is a discussion I had with the webmaster of the site of Orange, > of which I recently became a customer of. Notice what I claim to be some > inconsistencies in his approach. The final E-mail he sent me (after which > I said that I'll just agree to disagree) is: > > <<< > Dear Mr. Fish. > > I would like to end this discution with this note. > Even though I am a user of Linux and a fan of all things open source I > still do > not agree that all websites should support all browsers. orange's website > was > designed to be out of the ordinary, not standard and clean but to align > itself > with our Logo and unique line of advertising.. We chose to write it this > way > and we have no regrets. > Even with all this in mind, your comments about compatibility will be > taken > into consideration. > > > If you are an Orange customer please voice your complaint as well or > mention that you support my opinions. (to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > Regards, > > Shlomi Fish > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ > > Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than > getting its license changed. > > Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:54:55 +0200 (IST) > From: Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable > in Mozill a {ID:36786727} (fwd) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ > > An apple a day will keep a doctor away. Two apples a day will keep two > doctors away. > > Falk Fish > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:39:45 +0200 (IST) > From: Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable > in Mozill a {ID:36786727} > > On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Dear Mr. Fish, > > I thank you again for your mail. > > > > I regret being so blunt but, no, we are not going to change our website > > in the near future. We have developed an amazing website, > > "amazing"? By this do you mean full of non-portable bells and whistles, > and other idiosyncracies? Sorry, but that's not an amazing web-site > according to my book. > > A good web-site is either simple and clean, or includes > standard-compliant, portable embelishments. (which are usually not > necessary). > > Usability, low bandwidth, etc. is much more important than "amazingness" > and I bet it's not very usable in MSIE either. > > > that costs us a > > lot of money to develop and maintain, > > Why does it? Why should it? I maintain a few web-sites in my free time and > I'm not getting paid to do so. If you keep your web-site clean and simple, > it will cost less money to maintain and will also attract more visitors. > > > and it is currently built exactly > > according to our business needs. > > I seriously doubt it is built according to anyone's business needs. Why do > you need JavaScript to display the catalog of images? Why not simply > include them in the HTML? If you look at popular international sites, > you'll see that most of them are built with simple and clean HTML > (sometimes without any trace of JavaScript). > > > I can also say that although > > technologically it might be possible to develop a version for Mozilla or > > other browsers, > > 1. It is possible. > > 2. I'm not talking about a separate version for other browsers. I'm > talking about one version for _all_ browsers. > > > orange, and many other content providers, are investing > > in the most common browser, it is currently not cost efficient to > > develop versions for other browsers. > > It is cost efficient if you hire clueful developers. Look at my site: > > http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ > > (which links to other sites I made). > > They all look perfectly fine in all modern browsers, including lynx (a > minimalistic text browser). Why? Because I know what I'm doing and I know > how to write good HTML. > > First you tell me your site costs a lot of money to maintain, and then you > tell me it is not cost efficient to support other browsers. Now, let me > tell you this: if you keep your site clean and standards compliant, you > can have it support all browsers and it will cost you much less money to > maintain. > > Regards, > > Shlomi Fish > > > Regards > > Eyal Sion > > Data Support Team > > www.orange.co.il > > > > -----????? ??????----- > > ??: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ?????: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:48:32 +0200 > > ???: Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ????: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozill > > a {ID:36786727} > > > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Fish, > > > I thank you for your e-mail. > > > > > > In reply to your complaint, currently, our website is only supported > > > > by Internet Explorer versions 5.5 and up. > > > > > > OK. > > > > Are you going to do anything about it? By designing a web-site according > > to web standards, one can make sure it is supported on all browsers > > easily. Right now, you're descriminating against an entire section of > > the > > populace that cannot run this browser on their OS or computer of choice. > > > > Regards, > > > > Shlomi Fish > > > > > Regards. > > > Eyal Sion > > > Data Support Team > > > www.orange.co.il > > > > > > -----????? ??????----- > > > ??: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ?????: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:24:01 +0200 > > > ???: Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > ????: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozilla > > > > > > > > > The page: > > > > > > http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ > > > > > > on your site is not viewable with Mozilla 1.4 on Linux (and probably > > > > on > > > > > Windows as well). Please fix it. I am about to buy a device from you > > > > and > > > > > was unable to view the site due to this bug. > > > > > > That put aside, the site is completely unusable with Konqueror 3.1.3 > > > > on > > > > > Linux. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shlomi Fish > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ > > > > > > An apple a day will keep a doctor away. Two apples a day will keep two > > > doctors away. > > > > > > Falk Fish > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ > > > > An apple a day will keep a doctor away. Two apples a day will keep two > > doctors away. > > > > Falk Fish > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ > > An apple a day will keep a doctor away. Two apples a day will keep two > doctors away. > > Falk Fish > > > ================================================================= > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
