Thanks Pierre
That section seems to point me back to my original attempt:<< \relative
c' {\stemDown g'4 <g c>4 g4 <g f>4 } \\ \relative c' { s8 b'8 s8 d8 e4
d4 } >> | << \relative c' { <g' e>4 <c g>4 } \\ \relative c'
\autoBeamOff { c'8 <b d,>8 e,8 <d' f,>8 } >> <c' g e>4 <b g d>4 |which
was adapted from the manuals.Best,Martin
On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 23:38 +0100, Pierre Perol-Schneider wrote:
> See.
> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.23/Documentation/learning/i_0027m-hearing-voices.html
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>
> Le dim. 4 déc. 2022 à 23:09, J Martin Rushton <
> martinrushto...@btinternet.com> a écrit :
> > Hi Pierre
> >
> > Yes, I like that. I hadn't come across \tiny before, it does help
> > make things nicer. I assume that the "tenor bells" is simply an
> > artefact from a template - I can't see that it does anything. In
> > the alto bells would you advise the rest? Remember that ringers
> > are following a line and a space of the staff, not a line of music,
> > and I would think that s2 would be better.
> >
> > I assume the \voiceXXX clauses are to set the stem directions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Martin
> >
> > On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 22:48 +0100, Pierre Perol-Schneider wrote:
> > > Hi Martin,
> > > Sorry but the last attempt is hardly readable.
> > > As Michael suggested previously, precising voices might help ;
> > > also, you could change some voice sizes for a better reading.
> > > E.g. something like:
> > > sopranBells = \fixed c'' {
> > > \voiceOne
> > > | %mes. 13
> > > g4 r8 g8 4 4
> > > | %mes. 14
> > > g4 4 4 4
> > > | %mes. 15
> > > s4
> > > }
> > >
> > > bassBells = \fixed c' {
> > > \voiceTwo
> > > | %mes. 13
> > > g4 <g c'> <e g> <d g>
> > > | %mes. 14
> > > <e g c'>4 q <e g c'> <d g b>
> > > | %mes. 15
> > > s4
> > > }
> > >
> > > tenorBells = \fixed c' {
> > > \voiceThree \tiny
> > > | %mes. 13
> > > s1
> > > | %mes. 14
> > > s1
> > > | %mes. 15
> > > s4
> > > }
> > >
> > > altoBells = \fixed c' {
> > > \voiceTwo \tiny
> > > | %mes. 13
> > > s8 b s d' d'2\rest
> > > | %mes. 14
> > > s8 <d b> s <f d'> s4 s
> > > | %mes. 15
> > > s
> > > }
> > >
> > > \new Staff <<
> > > \new Voice \sopranBells
> > > \new Voice \bassBells
> > > \new Voice \tenorBells
> > > \new Voice \altoBells
> > > >>
> > >
> > > HTH, cheers,
> > > Pierre
> > >
> > > Le dim. 4 déc. 2022 à 22:06, J Martin Rushton <
> > > martinrushto...@btinternet.com> a écrit :
> > > > Hi Michael
> > > >
> > > > It just takes having to explain something to sort it. Those
> > > > two problematic bars are now:
> > > >
> > > > which is much better. I still don't really like the tied
> > > > quavers where a crotchet is rung, but then you can't have
> > > > everything! The relevant code is:
> > > >
> > > > g8 ~ <g b>8 <g c>8 ~ <g c d>8 <g e>4 <g d>4 | <e g c>8 ~ <d e g
> > > > b>8 <e g c>8 ~ <f g c d>8 <e g c>4 <d g b>4 |
> > > >
> > > > for the accompaniment.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for making me think!
> > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 20:39 +0000, J Martin Rushton wrote:
> > > > > Hi Michael
> > > > > I've mocked up the same two bars in LibreOffice as tablature:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Where you see a dot and a number, the dot indicates half a
> > > > > beat's rest, so that row three of the first beat is
> > > > > interpreted as r8 b8 In the second bar, first beat, the "5
> > > > > 6" is c8 b8 The bolded top row indicates the tune, which
> > > > > typically needs to be run a little harder whilst the lower
> > > > > bells ring softer. The problem comes with setting, for
> > > > > instance, the first beat. I tried using things like
> > > > > << \relative c' {\stemDown g'4 <g c>4 g4 <g f>4 } \\
> > > > > \relative c' { s8 b'8 s8 d8 e4 d4 } >> | << \relative c' {
> > > > > <g' e>4 <c g>4 } \\ \relative c' \autoBeamOff { c'8 <b d,>8
> > > > > e,8 <d' f,>8 } >> <c' g e>4 <b g d>4 |
> > > > > for the accompaniment but it is horrible and
> > > > > confused. I've a feeling that need to change the g'4 in
> > > > > the first beat to g'8 ~ g8 to keep all the stems
> > > > > together. I'll report back after testing.
> > > > > I hope that that clarifies things a little,
> > > > > Martin
> > > > > On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 13:14 -0500, Michael Werner wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Martin.
> > > > > > Well, I'm still pretty new to Lilypond but I have done some
> > > > > > handbell music. I don't play them myself - my mother is
> > > > > > the musician while I'm her tech support, I guess would be
> > > > > > the way to phrase it. My approach with the more complex
> > > > > > pieces her group was doing was to generate a somewhat
> > > > > > simplified version just for her. I would make sure to
> > > > > > retain enough of the main melody line that she could follow
> > > > > > it, while cutting out anything else I could. Of course I
> > > > > > had to make sure to leave in the notes that she was
> > > > > > responsible for. Wouldn't work too well without them. Also
> > > > > > I would put a larger callout symbol above each note she
> > > > > > rings to help her see them - she's pushing 80 years old and
> > > > > > her eyesight is going. While I was at it, I would also
> > > > > > produce a complete version. But that was mainly just me
> > > > > > playing around and gaining some experience.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A lot of that was made a bit easier by just carving up the
> > > > > > piece in multiple voices, with each voice going into a
> > > > > > variable. Then I could assemble the appropriate piece of
> > > > > > music by just calling the variables I needed for that
> > > > > > particular version. Lots of possibilities to redo entire
> > > > > > scores without having to retype a whole bunch of music.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for handbell tablature I've never seen it. None of the
> > > > > > handbell music she has brought home for me to play with has
> > > > > > had any tablature, just the "normal" music. Tablature for a
> > > > > > few other instruments, yes, but not handbells.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, this was kind of rambling - sorry about that. Like I
> > > > > > said I'm still kinda new to Lilypond. It's been an
> > > > > > interesting journey so far, with still quite a long ways to
> > > > > > go. Still trying to get a decent grasp on the whole Scheme
> > > > > > thing. Oh well. Just gotta keep trying, I guess. Hope maybe
> > > > > > something in all this might have helped maybe a bit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 12:46 PM J Martin Rushton <
> > > > > > martinrushto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Our handbell team rings some pieces from normal scores,
> > > > > > > and some from a tablature notation. I had a go at
> > > > > > > converting one of our favourite pieces from tablature to
> > > > > > > scores, but some of the bars become so complex that I'm
> > > > > > > not sure this helps at all.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Has anyone else done handbells on Lilypond? As a
> > > > > > > supplementary question, does anyone know of any software
> > > > > > > that can generate handbell tablatures?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Martin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > J Martin Rushton MBCS
> > > > > --
> > > > > J Martin Rushton MBCS
> > > > --
> > > > J Martin Rushton MBCS
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