On Fri 22 Jul 2022 at 12:52:17 (+0200), mancunius wrote:
> On 22 Jul 2022, at 10:41, Jean Abou Samra <j...@abou-samra.fr> wrote:
> > Le 22/07/2022 à 10:27, Simon Albrecht a écrit :
> >> On 20/07/2022 12:34, mancunius wrote:
> >>> Hello. In the following example I want the undertie to be placed between
> >>> the 2 “O sacrum convivium” lines of lyrics, to indicate that no breath
> >>> should be taken by the singers - as per the normal choral convention.
> >>> (cf. the commented-out \breathe command in the music itself.) As it
> >>> currently compiles, the undertie is placed beneath the word “O” of the
> >>> second phrase.
> >>
> >> This is because the markup command \undertie requires an argument and so
> >> it is applied to the following syllable.
> >>
> >> What I would suggest is a dotted or dashed slur between the notes like
> >> this:
> >>
> >> { \once\dashedSlur cs( d) }
> > Well, as David W. mentioned, there is predefined syntax with "~" to create
> > a tie. Its length is fixed, however.
> >
> > { c'1 1 }
> > \addlyrics { aah~ aah }
> >
> > Do you think it's conventional to make the tie extend to the next syllable?
>
> Thank you for the replies. The lyric tie doesn’t need to extend to the next
> syllable, but it looks odd when appended to the left syllable at the same
> time as displacing it; it looks like an error,
Sure, I pointed that out; and as I implied, for precision you need to
make adjustments in X position. It just depends on who's the target
of your engraving.
> especially if the left syllable were to stretch across more than one note as
> in the revised example below.
Well that actually solves the alignment problem, because it forces
left-alignment of the lyric.
> The purpose of a dotted slur between the notes is ambiguous, so I’d rather
> not take that route.
… and when the piece is strophic, it doesn't actually specify which
verses carry over, particularly if the engraver wishes to preserve,
but contradict, the text's punctuation (as here).
> My preference is to have a lyric tie equally spaced between the two
> syllables: it looks elegant and its purpose is clear.
I suppose a scheme expert might be able to hack that out of a fake
lyric hyphen rendered as a slur.
(Technically, these are lyric slurs, of course.)
But my preference is attached, because that's the syllable affected.
That said, if there's a new line involved, I prefix the second
syllable with a slur too, as a reminder when the eye has moved ahead.
Again, adjustments ….
Anyway, when following a tied note, perhaps pick a method that suits.
There's a snippet attached (the ! example is just to document that the
padding argument is optional).
Cheers,
David.
\language "english"
\include "extender.ily"
extendSlur = #(extend "‿" 0.2)
extendBang = #(extend "!")
global = { \key d \major }
soprano=\relative c'{
r4 cs cs a
d e cs fs ~
fs %\breathe
b, fs' fs8 fs
a4. a8 g4 fs
}
sopranotext=\lyricmode{
O sa -- crum con -- ví -- vi -- um, \extendSlur
O sa -- crum con -- ví -- vi -- um, con
}
\score {
\new Staff <<
\global
\new Voice="v1"
{
\clef "treble"
\soprano
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "v1" {\sopranotext}
>>
}
sopranotext=\lyricmode{
O sa -- crum con -- ví -- vi -- "um,__‿"
O sa -- crum con -- ví -- vi -- um, con
}
\score {
\new Staff <<
\global
\new Voice="v1"
{
\clef "treble"
\soprano
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "v1" {\sopranotext}
>>
}
sopranotext=\lyricmode{
O sa -- crum con -- ví -- vi -- "um,__ ~"
O sa -- crum con -- ví -- vi -- um, con
}
\score {
\new Staff <<
\global
\new Voice="v1"
{
\clef "treble"
\soprano
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "v1" {\sopranotext}
>>
}
sopranotext=\lyricmode{
O sa -- crum con -- ví -- vi -- "um, ~"
O sa -- crum con -- ví -- vi -- um, con
}
\score {
\new Staff <<
\global
\new Voice="v1"
{
\clef "treble"
\soprano
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "v1" {\sopranotext}
>>
}
sopranotext=\lyricmode{
O sa -- crum con -- ví -- vi -- um, \extendBang
O sa -- crum con -- ví -- vi -- um, con
}
\score {
\new Staff <<
\global
\new Voice="v1"
{
\clef "treble"
\soprano
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "v1" {\sopranotext}
>>
}
sopranotext=\lyricmode{
O sa -- crum con -- ví -- vi -- um,~ __
O sa -- crum con -- ví -- vi -- um, con
}
\score {
\new Staff <<
\global
\new Voice="v1"
{
\clef "treble"
\soprano
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "v1" {\sopranotext}
>>
}
\version "2.22.1" % 2016-10-18 %% Puts punctuation etc onto the end of a lyric extender. %% http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=643 %% see also http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/common-notation-for-vocal-music %LSR contributed by Neil Puttock #(define (extend text . padding) (let ((extender (make-music 'ExtenderEvent)) ;; optional padding (padding (if (pair? padding) (car padding) 0))) (set! (ly:music-property extender 'tweaks) (acons 'stencil (lambda (grob) (let* ((orig (ly:grob-original grob)) (siblings (ly:spanner-broken-into orig))) (if (or (null? siblings) (and (>= (length siblings) 2) (eq? (car (last-pair siblings)) grob))) (ly:stencil-combine-at-edge (ly:lyric-extender::print grob) X RIGHT (grob-interpret-markup grob text) padding) (ly:lyric-extender::print grob)))) (ly:music-property extender 'tweaks))) extender))
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