On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:04 PM, <have@anti.capital> wrote: > []tm 108 > []dy ff > > Fermatas I want to discuss with others before I make very specific plans. I > don't see much reason for an entire newline of squares for fermatas, when > "daa!" could be equivalent to "daaa" with a fermata. That's just one way to > do it. > > > --------- Original Message --------- > Subject: Re: What can Premusic do that others can't? > From: "Malte Meyn" <lilyp...@maltemeyn.de> > Date: 3/20/17 5:14 pm > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org > > > > Am 20.03.2017 um 22:48 schrieb have@anti.capital: >> These are the first measures of Beethoven's Fifth in premusic. > > This is missing tempo, fermatas and dynamics. > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > > > > --------- Original Message --------- > Subject: Re: What can Premusic do that others can't? > From: "David Kastrup" <d...@gnu.org> > Date: 3/20/17 5:16 pm > To: have@anti.capital > Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org > > <have@anti.capital> writes: > >> Why don't I ask you to name a notation that does something that >> Parallel Squares could NOT do? Or, if I reversed the roles, and every >> tune on http://abcnotation.com were in my notation, and I approached, >> telling you about the ABC or GUIDO notation I invented, would you see >> any merit in it, or any real reason to implement ABC or GUIDO... Ever? > > Sure. LilyPond was created by the same authors who wrote Mpp, a music > preprocessor for MusiXTeX which is somewhat similarly compact and > cryptic as your proposal. > > Semilinear notations haven't made the race in math (how great it would > be if you'd express every mathematical formula in FORTRAN, how easy to > understand and derive proofs, right?) or in music (Gregorian neumes are > basically linearly written and preceded the square notation which > followed it). > > How do you expect to notate heptuplets against trioles? Least common > multiple? Good luck reading your voice as set against that of other > voices and figuring out the relation to the beat. Have you tried > setting some polyrhythmic Chopin with your system and actually _playing_ > it? > > What is your actual musical background and proficiency? > >> But in any case, I am not a programmer, and have never participated in >> the creation of free software. > > Are you a musician? What instrument do you play at what level of > proficiency? > >> Before you dismiss my format, and now that you have a sense for how it >> works, I implore you to at least try composing in a text editor, any >> piece of music, simple for now, to feel how natural it is. Think about >> what this could do - one could comfortably convey all the information >> conveyed by sheet music, using only notepad.exe. > > Reality check: LilyPond source can be written using only notepad.exe and > conveys all the information written down. So can abc. So can Mpp, > MusixTeX, MuTeX and others. > >> There's nothing like it. > > That is not valuable in itself. > > -- > David Kastrup > > I am having trouble finding examples of MPP code to look at. Could you help > me out? And what about my code is so cryptic? Can't anyone read a > "dadadaaa"?
No. Probably for the same reason *anyone* can't just read binary code. You might be able to sell that to those violin playing robots in Japan though. > > I want to look at algebra at a later date. I feel it's fallen victim to the > same issues as premusic - over-reverence of centuries-old notation - but I > don't yet have an easy solution. It's more than just linearity - it's about > designing a file format with a keyboard from the ground up, and not writing > the information down on paper as has been done for centuries and basing your > file format off of that. > > Yes, least common multiple for your obscure polyrhythms. It would work, and > unless we start talking about pi-lets, it's the sensible way. > > I play guitar and a few instruments very well by most people's standards, > though I'm sure many of you would outshine me. I compose much music that is > at least a little complicated, and out of frustration with all existing > notation softwares prior to my format, I have never scored it. But who cares > if I only play the tinwhistle? It doesn't make my file format into any less > of the most sensible plaintext file format for premusic. > > So Lilypond and MusixTex can be agonizingly written down by hand. They > weren't optimized for that purpose, and are designed to render in an > entirely different and intensive layout - mine can be comfortably and > quickly composed in AND displayed and read in notepad.exe. Again, I implore > you to at least try composing music in my format. > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > -- Jeffery Shivers jefferyshivers.com soundcloud.com/jefferyshivers _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
