Sure. I suppose for a guitar person having stacked fingerings on top would be rather confusing, as there is no monotonic relating between finger and pitch. As such I suppose guitar people would want to use fingerings with left or right orientations in chords anyway.
Cheers, Valentin Am Montag, 21. Februar 2022, 17:47:58 CET schrieb Luca Fascione: > I suspect we might be saying the same thing, Valentin? > > I was saying infix can be a bit awkward if you want 'pianist' chord > fingering (just a stack of numbers above or below), and that your original > <c d g>-1-2-3 reads quite nicely (as in: it's easy to see in your head what > you will get in the engraving just by looking at the source). So a keyboard > person wouldn't want to use infix, I don't think > > Whereas a guitar person might find it more attractive to use <c-1 d-2 g-3> > because it's easier to keep it straight in your head what fingers you use > on what note that way > > L > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 5:42 PM Valentin Petzel <valen...@petzel.at> wrote: > > No, not nescessarily. If we want all Fingerings on top or below there is > > no real benefit of doing the chord thing. In fact doing that leads to the > > exact same issue of the fingering for d being next to the other ones. > > > > Cheers, > > Valentin > > > > 21.02.2022 12:38:40 Luca Fascione <l.fasci...@gmail.com>: > > > > But wouldn't you finger that as <c-1 d-2 g-3>? (Didn't check the number, > > I'm just meaning going infix vs postfix) > > > > I can see that this idea of mine does have issues for fingering your way > > around (which seems to me it's more of a fingering atop thing, like you > > would have in a keyboard score) > > > > L > > > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, 12:32 Valentin Petzel, <valen...@petzel.at> wrote: > >> Hello Luca, > >> > >> changing the X-parent to the NoteHead would mean that we are aligning the > >> Fingering horizontally wrt. the NoteHead instead of the whole NoteColumn. > >> This > >> would then mean that if for example due to some chord some note heads are > >> on > >> the other side of the Stem the alignment of something like <c d g>-1-2-3 > >> would > >> change (disregarding that it wouldn’t even be clear what note head to > >> use). > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Valentin > >> > >> Am Montag, 21. Februar 2022, 09:19:30 CET schrieb Luca Fascione: > >> > Hi Thomas, > >> > thanks for your comment, this helps me refine my understanding of > >> > >> what's > >> > >> > going on. > >> > > >> > At the same time, while I do see that for other articulations (fermata, > >> > appoggiato) this parenting scheme works very well, > >> > I remain wondering whether for the style of layout of the fingering > >> > indications that I am after, the appropriate thing to do could be to > >> > >> change > >> > >> > the parenting altogether. > >> > > >> > If we look at chord for a second, I see the <one-note-chord> thing as a > >> > trick because to me even for proper chords the whole FingeringColumn > >> > >> idea > >> > >> > is also a weird concept: imagine you're in say C major, and you're > >> > >> laying > >> > >> > out fingering on the left of a chord like Fm <f aes c'>: I'm very > >> > >> unclear > >> > >> > whether the most readable solution is to have the fingerings stacked > >> > >> one > >> > >> > atop each other in a column (thereby more distant from f and c because > >> > >> of > >> > >> > the intervening flat on the aes) or if instead the fingerings on f and > >> > >> c > >> > >> > should be set tighter to their corresponding note heads and just the > >> > >> aes > >> > >> > fingering be displaced left horizontally, to allow for the flat. I > >> > >> would > >> > >> > like to experiment with various possibilities there, visually. I > >> > >> suppose > >> > >> > you could still displace horizontally inside the column, and then push > >> > >> it > >> > >> > all inwards closer to the chord even if the bboxes will overlap a > >> > >> bit... I > >> > >> > anticipate issues such as making sure the fingering for c' doesn't > >> > interfer with the ascender on the flat glyph, also. > >> > > >> > Which brings me to a question: what consequence would it have to > >> > >> replace > >> > >> > the X-parent and Y-parent of the fingering to be the NoteHead instead? > >> > (I guess there will be a need to deal with the accidentals at a > >> > >> minimum) > >> > >> > And also: how would I go at discovering these consequences without > >> > >> using > >> > >> > too much of you guys' time? > >> > > >> > Thanks again, > >> > Luca > >> > > >> > On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 1:22 AM Thomas Morley > >> > <thomasmorle...@gmail.com> > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > Am So., 20. Feb. 2022 um 22:41 Uhr schrieb Luca Fascione < > >> > > > >> > > l.fasci...@gmail.com>: > >> > > > a) I'm looking for a way to get the fingerings where I want them > >> > > > without > >> > > > > >> > > > using one-note-chord tricks > >> > > > >> > > Well, for Fingerings not in chord, like b-1 or <b dis'>-2-1 X-parent > >> > > is NoteColumn _not_ NoteHead, Y-parent is VerticalAxisGroup. > >> > > There is no direct way from NoteHead to Fingering and vice versa. > >> > > > >> > > Thus putting Fingering in-chord is unavoidable, imho, even for single > >> > > notes. > >> > > It is _not_ a trick, but a requirement. > >> > > > >> > > Furthermore, you say you set music for classical guitar, then chords > >> > > will happen anyway, although not in your example. > >> > > Please note, as soon as more than one in-chord Fingering is present a > >> > > FingeringColumn is created. Which will make things even more > >> > > complicated. > >> > > See > >> > > https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6125 > >> > > https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/732 > >> > > > >> > > Sorry to be of not more help, > >> > > > >> > > Harm
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