James, first, I am sorry that you are so disturbed. I realize that this is partially my fault, so I apologize.
sob., 8 lut 2020 o 09:23 James Lowe <james.l...@posteo.net> napisał(a): > On 07/02/2020 09:50, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > > Thanks for your careful observations. > > > > First, the CoC was actually coined by Mike, and I saw it as a proposal to > > bring LilyPond into the next decade. > > What is that even supposed to mean? Again empty, ]words that sound > 'nice' but mean nothing. > > > A CoC is a pretty normal concept these > > days. > > Here we go ... ".. everyone else does it... so we should .. " still with > no point to any of it that I can see. > > > If having a CoC is required to be taken seriously by developers at > > large, we should consider it. > > And for those of us who don't take them seriously and see them as an > attempt at behavioral control by certain people for certain people. > > > I concede that CoCs haven't yet reached this > > level of ubiquity, though. > > Probably for good reason. > > > For full disclosure, David has ticked me off in the past, and > reacquainting > > myself with the community means that I have to reacquaint myself with > > David's way of communicating. > > Can we just stop bashing David? > > > One of the recent emails (about the > > development process), contained a passage that felt like a blow in my > > stomach and upset me to the point of considering to leave again. (When I > > say this, I am not asking for adulation). If that happens to me, imagine > > what happens when a new contributor is on the receiving end of that. So I > > am happy to see that David is trying new ways to address this problem. > > All without having at CoC. > > > I have no personal stake in being a CoC committee member, and was > actually > > volunteered into it by Janek. I am happy to not be part of such a > committee > > (Elaine, would you be interested?), because my time is limited, and is > > probably best spent in mentoring coders and explaining the code base. For > > the record, I think Werner is an excellent candidate. > > If we're doing a 'for the record', then just let me state here if/when > we have a CoC, I will be leaving the LP project , so I guess you better > start getting all your automation ducks in a row for patch testing and > shepherding etc, or someone else will need to step in do what I > currently do. > > What a shame. > I initially wanted to write "If I were Han-Wen...", but then realized it's a bad idea. I'll let Han-Wen speak for himself; however, please let me express my emotions. I am very saddened by this message. I see a member of the community whose frustration didn't meet with understanding, but rather with something that looks like mocking or sarcasm. As I see it, Han-Wen expressed his emotions. He didn't do it in an aggressive way; I wouldn't say that he bashed David, either. (David, please correct me if you felt bashed by Han-Wen's message.) Han-Wen's point was to empathize with new contributors, and he actually praised David for the changes he's making. Han-Wen, I am very sorry that what you wrote didn't meet with empathy or at least understanding. I imagine you may be very frustrated. Janek
