There's nothing at all wrong with the mailing list. It's just the inherent nature of a project that is spread out among group of volunteers that don't always have time to discuss properly - the medium used is to discuss isn't to blame. In fact, it's good that you brought this up here because even if discussion isn't happening as you like *now*, there is a public record of what was brought up and we can always return to it.

Try to relax and be a bit more patient please. Gently nudging and reminding you'll find works better to extract more comments. As it is, I promise to look over your original request a bit more later today and comment where I feel I can.


I think we are going to disagree here I'm pretty calm about this, and I've got not problem with patience, I was happy to wait for responses and dicussion to pick up, I am frustrated that I called out in detail how I didn't want this thread to turn out, and people just ignored it and went on their own discussions, even though I said "if you want to take this off topic in more detail either wait until we come closer to a conclusion or start a seperate thread as to not change the base dicussion of this thread" - I'm not annoyed by other or off topic dicussion I'm annoyed and frustrated that even when you spell it out clearly to try to get a topic moving people just go off on random tangents and ruin the thread, yes this thread is logged and can be refered to - but whats the good of refering to it when the topic is "what direction should the LFS projects go" and the content is "does iptables use raw headers" or "perhaps I should look at my mail list settings" etc etc.

I shouldn't have to nudge or remind after only about 10 good mails that "keep on thread" people should have had read the mail and thought "yes there is no need for that single mail saying "lol" when the thread poster has taken a serious not to this mail and has specificly asked us to NOT do this.

Its not often I post a serious thread on this mail list any more rather than chat things through with individuals as the ammount of noise and pointless contribution that for what should be a channel leading development ALWAYS takes over, but I gave this a shot in blind faith hoping that spelling out the requirments and goals clearly at the start would lead to a more productive thread.

I was wrong and once again return to my belief that this mailing list is not working and needs to be moderated or subscription.

I know this is against Gerards wishes and goal, but at the same time this thread just highlights how impossible it is to discuss a topic.

Matt



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