Archaic wrote these words on 09/14/05 00:41 CST: > Stepping in even later than you... :) While I didn't expect the first > round proposal would be seen with much favor, I must point out the true > impetus of this undertaking. None of the criteria Matt listed gives the > "why" behind this, only the criteria that was settled on. The "why" can > be stated (hopefully) simply and succinctly:
[snip one of the best posts in this forum I've read] First of all Archaic, I would like to point out that your message was so perfectly stated that it really made me think about the big picture here. Well done, sir. The crux of the issue seems to be Gerard's desire to eliminate any dependency, or for that matter, even any thought to building on top of LFS. He's the boss, if this is his desires, then we have to do what is necessary. Wrong is it may be. You've explained things perfectly. To satisfy Gerard's request, there is no other choice but to eliminate the groups from /etc/group and the associated rules definitions from the Udev rules file. However, I'll be on record as saying this is a mistake. Though the goal of LFS is to build a minimal system capable of building upon, I believe this is carrying things a bit too far. There is no harm in creating groups which have no users assigned to the group. There's no security, nor any other implications I can think of. To not anticipate that LFS will be build upon, in whatever fashion, be it a server or desktop capacity, and not having the groups on the system with appropriate Udev rules to create device nodes appropriate to the use of those nodes, is simply wrong. Here is the important thing that we must consider: Device nodes are going to be created upon the kernel's discovery of the hardware. Do we want these device nodes to be created correctly, or not? If the decision is that LFS can live with improperly created device nodes then go forth with the plan. If it is decided that the device nodes should be created with the proper group assignment, then *LFS* should do this. -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version 2.15.94.0.2 20041220] [gcc (GCC) 3.4.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.4] [Linux 2.6.10 i686] 00:51:00 up 165 days, 24 min, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.07 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
