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Sent from Samsung Mobile <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Damian Walsh <[email protected]> </div><div>Date:16/12/2014 11:59 (GMT+00:00) </div><div>To: leedslist <[email protected]> </div><div>Subject: Re: [LU] Transfer Ebargoes </div><div> </div> Absolutely agree Sean. However it's still incredible that Leeds have found themselves in breach of the rules. Does anyone know how we find ourselves in this position? Have we spent too much on current account (agent's fees, players' wages....)? Or is it capital expenditure (eg having to put in money to cover previous "holes")? Damian On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:27 AM, [broken-address] < [email protected]> wrote: > > In my opinion, the FFP rules are there to protect the clubs that first > forced UEFA to create the Champions League, and then enriched themselves > from it, allowing them to create a global market for their "brands," thus > ensuring a steady stream of "football" income. They were horrified when > Sheikh Mansour bought Man City and put his money where his mouth was, and > quickly set about ensuring that nobody else was going to be allowed to > crash their party. That's why they've designed rules that stop anyone > seriously investing in a club. They are trying to get rid of the cyclical > nature of football, and make sure that Bayern, Real Madrid, Arsenal, etc. > etc. can maintain their dominance of their domestic leagues ad infinitum. > > Cheers! > > Sean > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Murray <[email protected]> > To: Alec McQueen <[email protected]> > Cc: Leedslist <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, Dec 15, 2014 9:17 pm > Subject: Re: [LU] Transfer Ebargoes > > > Yes, but they are the reason the FFP legislation was brought in - and it > ends up > punishing mid level second division teams. > > Load of old bollocks. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 16 Dec 2014, at 09:47, Alec McQueen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Not mad. Driven by market forces. Shitload of tv money directed at the > league > people want to watch. Massive financial differentials all driven by premier > league income and allocation policies. > > > > Oligarchs with billions want in for various reasons: fun, building > credibility, advertising a brand (usually a rising one), but rarely to > make a > buck (they've already done that). > > > > These folks just live in a different place to you and me because of the > cash > they have access to from their previous success in hoovering up (usually) > natural resources and flogging it to governments and big business. > > > > Not mad. Just different. > > > > Cheers > > Alec > > > >> On 16 Dec 2014, at 10:31 am, Ian Murray <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Yeah the problem in football is clearly Is spending tuppence ha'penny > in 15 > years. Fuck all to do with billionaire oligarchs spending billions > hoovering up > all the talent in the world and paying them 6 figure sums on a weekly > basis. > >> > >> The world is mad. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On 15 Dec 2014, at 22:58, Rick Duniec (@ntl) <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Blackburn, Leeds and Nottingham Forest handed transfer embargoes > >>> Blackburn, Leeds and Nottingham Forest have been given transfer > embargoes > for the rest of the season for breaching Financial Fair Play rules. > >>> > >>> The Championship trio have been handed the bans for not meeting the > Football > League's Fair Play Requirement. > >>> > >>> Under existing rules, clubs were permitted to lose no more than £3m a > season, with a maximum of £5m of shareholder investment in 2013-14. > >>> > >>> The clubs will have the opportunity to have the embargoes lifted in > June. > >>> > >>> To do so, they will need to prove they have stayed within an operating > loss > of no more than £3m, with a maximum of £3m of shareholder investment for > the > 2014-15 season. > >>> > >>> Blackburn managing director Derek Shaw said: "Whilst the ruling will > clearly > present some difficulties, we will of course respect the rules of the > Football > League. > >>> > >>> The view from Leeds > >>> BBC Radio Leeds sports reporter Adam Pope > >>> > >>> "Head coach Neil Redfearn said after Saturday's defeat by Fulham > that the > team needs more players with Championship experience and by my reckoning > they > should still be able to make four signings. The timing of the embargo > coincides > with owner Massimo Cellino submitting his appeal against his > disqualification > but with three big games between now and January and the team just five > points > above the relegation zone, Redfearn knows he cannot afford to allow this to > interfere with the players' concentration." > >>> > >>> > >>> "A lot of effort and hard work has been done to reduce player costs > over the > last two years, but we have wanted to rebuild and challenge in this > division at > the same time, and we will continue to do that." > >>> > >>> Forest manager Stuart Pearce, speaking prior to confirmation that the > club > would be placed under an embargo, said: "We are acutely aware of what > direction > we will go if we are under an embargo. If you cannot go out and buy a > player in > the transfer market that is always a little bit hurtful. > >>> > >>> "But the flip side is that if you have to be cute in the transfer > market and > get Bosmans and free transfers. We feel we have the scouting network that > can > cope with that. > >>> > >>> "As a football supporter I would not want my club to go bust because of > financial overspending, so if the League are putting plans in place to > safeguard > then long-term future of football clubs then fine; I have no problem with > that > at all." > >>> > >>> The clubs will still be allowed to sign players in January if they > have 24 > or fewer players over the age of 21 who have made at least five starting > appearances for the club in total. > >>> > >>> Any of these signings must not cost the club a transfer fee and must > cost > less than £600,000 a year. > >>> > >>> Existing Championship FFP rules > >>> 2014-15: Losses of no more than £3m, up to £6m with owner investment > >>> > >>> 2015-16: Losses of no more than £2m, up to £13m with owner > investment > >>> > >>> > >>> Clubs with 24 or more players fitting the criteria will be allowed to > trade > players on a 'one out, one in' basis. > >>> > >>> In addition: > >>> > >>> a.. Clubs under an FFP embargo will be permitted to sign a goalkeeper > on an > emergency basis, in line with existing regulations. > >>> a.. Clubs under an FFP embargo will not be permitted to pay transfer > fees or > compensation fees for professional players. > >>> a.. Clubs under an FFP embargo will not be permitted to pay a loan fee > to > another club, they may only pay the player's wage, or a contribution > towards it. > > >>> a.. For incoming players, clubs can only pay agents' fees as a benefit > in > kind to the player in question, as long as they do not exceed the £600,000 > employee costs limit. > >>> In November, Championship clubs agreed to a new set of FFP guidelines > to > come into effect from the start of the 2016-17 campaign which will allow > clubs > to lose up to £15m across a period of three seasons without having to > detail how > that loss will be funded. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The Guardian > >>> > >>> Leeds United, Blackburn Rovers and Nottingham Forest will all have a > transfer ban for the January window after breaching the Football League's > financial fair play (FFP) rules. > >>> > >>> The League announced that the three clubs all incurred financial > losses more > than the £8m permitted during last season. > >>> > >>> Submissions from QPR, Leicester and Burnley - who were all promoted to > the > Premier League - plus the three clubs relegated last season will now be > considered by the Football League. > >>> > >>> A statement said: "An initial analysis of FFP submissions from the > current > 24 Championship clubs has indicated that three clubs - Blackburn Rovers, > Leeds > United and Nottingham Forest - have failed to meet the fair play > requirement > under the division's FFP rules. > >>> > >>> "Consequently, all three will be subject to an 'FFP embargo' under > Football > League regulations from January 1, 2015 for the remainder of the current > campaign." > >>> > >>> Under the transfer embargoes, the three clubs will be prohibited from > signing any new players - either on a permanent or loan deal - unless they > have > 24 or fewer "established players'', which is described as 24 players aged > 21 or > over that have made at least five starts for the club. > >>> > >>> Blackburn's managing director Derek Shaw said in a statement: "Whilst > the > ruling will clearly present some difficulties, we will of course respect > the > rules of the Football League. > >>> > >>> "A lot of effort and hard work has been done to reduce player costs > over the > last two years, but we have wanted to rebuild and challenge in this > division at > the same time, and we will continue to do that." > >>> > >>> The clubs will have their embargoes lifted at the end of the season if > they > can demonstrate they have stayed within the maximum permitted losses of > £6m - > £3m losses plus £3m covered by shareholder investment - for the current > season. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> An initial analysis of Financial Fair Play submissions from the > current 24 > Championship clubs has indicated that three clubs - Blackburn Rovers, Leeds > United and Nottingham Forest - have failed to meet the Fair Play > Requirement > under the division's Financial Fair Play rules. Consequently, all three > will be > subject to an 'FFP embargo' under Football League regulations from January > 1, > 2015 for the remainder of the current campaign. > >>> > >>> The Football League is currently in discussions with a number of other > clubs > over their FFP submissions and will confirm any further FFP embargoes, if > any, > in due course. It will also now consider submissions from the three clubs > promoted to the Premier League and the three clubs relegated to League 1 > at the > end of the 2013/14 season. > >>> > >>> Blackburn, Leeds and Forest all exceeded the maximum permitted > deviation of > £8m - consisting of a maximum adjusted operating loss of £3m plus a further > maximum of £5m of shareholder investment - during the 2013/14 playing > season. > Each club will have the opportunity to have its FFP embargo lifted at the > end of > the season by demonstrating that it has stayed within the maximum permitted > deviation of £6m (£3m operating loss plus £3m shareholder investment) for > the > 2014/15 season. > >>> > >>> The Football League has also confirmed the way in which FFP embargoes > will > operate for clubs placed under this sanction. > >>> > >>> Clubs will be prohibited from registering any new professional players > (permanent contract or loan) unless they have: > >>> > >>> . 24 or fewer established players (players aged 21 or over that > have made > at least 5 starting appearances for the club). > >>> > >>> Where clubs have fewer than 24 established players, they will only be > permitted to sign players in the following circumstances (with the player > in > question being added to the club's list of established players regardless > of his > age or previous playing experience): > >>> > >>> . Where the employee costs of a player being signed are less than > £600,000 per annum (or pro-rata if signed on a shorter contract). > >>> > >>> Where clubs have 24 established players, they will be permitted to > trade on > a 'one out, one in' basis but only if the employee costs of the player > coming in > to the club are no more than whichever is the lower amount of: > >>> > >>> . 75% of the equivalent costs of the player going out. > >>> . Or a maximum of £600,000 per annum (or pro-rata if signed on > shorter > contract) > >>> > >>> In addition: > >>> > >>> . Clubs under an FFP embargo will be permitted to sign a goalkeeper > on an > emergency basis (in line with existing regulations). > >>> . Clubs under an FFP embargo will not be permitted to pay transfer > fees > or compensation fees for professional players. > >>> . Clubs under an FFP embargo will not be permitted to pay a loan > fee to > another club, they may only pay the player's wage (or a contribution > towards > it). > >>> . For incoming players, clubs can only pay Agents' Fees as a > benefit in > kind to the player in question (as long as they do not exceed the £600,000 > employee costs limit). > >>> Read more at http://www.football-...IU76BHYJP4C1.99 > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leedslist mailing list > >>> Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > >>> > >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes > >>> Rest In Peace old lad > >>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leedslist mailing list > >> Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > >> > >> John 'Grampa' Sykes > >> Rest In Peace old lad > >> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > Rest In Peace old lad > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > Rest In Peace old lad > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
