On 6/15/2023 10:51 AM, Michael Quinn wrote:
If one was to land with a cross wind in a slight crab - tail turned a bit... if doing a 3 pointer, you would shoot off to the landing light in microseconds if the wheel was not allowed to move differently from the rudder.

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The pivot angle on the tailwheel of 211LF is exactly what is said to be the cause of tailwheel shimmy but possibly because of the cable tension and the Maule anti-shimmy springs it never produced a single incidence of shimmy for me.  The reason I never tried to three point land the KR is that like most tailwheel aircraft the wing is not stalled in the three point attitude.  Even with the longer gear of 211LF the wing is still flying and capable of touching tailwheel first and that will drive the mains on to the pavement with a bounce.  That happened on my very first landing when trying to land as slow as possible.

Many pilots think that the touchdown speed of a wheel landing is higher than necessary.  The fact is that a wheel landing is EXACTLY the same as a proper tail low landing and touching on the mains with trigear.  At that point they differ in that with a tailwheel you input a slight amount of forward stick and with a trigear with light winds you hold back stick or control yoke. Touchdown speed should be nearly identical with both types of gear.

As for landing with considerable crosswind, I never tried to three point with calm wind and certainly would not with cross winds.  By the time the tailwheel touched, if I needed considerable rudder deflection, I was also needing tailwheel deflection.  Any excess tailwheel deflection was self correcting either with the springs, tension on the rudder cables to move the peddles under foot, or side loads over powering the break-away restriction on the steerable / full swivel feature of the tailwheel assembly.

Consider this.  If the correct way to land a tailwheel aircraft is to three point, why isn't that the correct way to land with a nose wheel ?  If that is correct we would need tail skids on tri-gear aircraft to keep from skinning the tail.  I'm convinced that for consistency both should be landed the same right to the point of the mains touching down.

If the pilot wants to land as slowly as possible and the aircraft has a tailwheel then I agree a three point or tailwheel first landing will give you the slowest touchdown speed.  A three point landing is often mislabeled as a "full stall" landing.  A three point landing in an airplane that is capable of touching tailwheel first is not a "full stall" landing.  211LF, even with it's longer gear, can touch tail first so any three point landing in it is never a "full stall" landing.

This type of discussion is great fodder for setting by the campfire at the Gathering while enjoying cold beverages and the company of fellow KR builders.

How many days till the Gathering?

Larry Flesner
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